The AirTran Pilots' Windfall and SLI
01-12-2011, 10:25 PM
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Hey CV, not saying that the FO won't be a professional and do his job, I would hope that he can and would. I'm just saying that it's a tough pill to swallow, is all. Every one of us feels some amount of ownership of the Airline that we work at, and it's not easy to give up one single shredd of seniority no matter where you work. I'm not posturing at all, and any angst over a possible merger wouldn't be directed at the Air Tran pilots, after all they didn't have anything to do with the fact their airline was bought out. When all is said and done, we will all be SWA pilots and I will not treat any of them any different than all the other guys here.
01-13-2011, 12:38 AM
#312
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how does talking in an anonymous chat room become on line posturing?...what? the arbitrator will read these posts? As for poisoning work environment, pilots have to blow off a little steam on here since the wife or girlfriend put the "Not tonight dear" pillow out on the bed.
Honestly, I don't know why guys put up with that bullsh*t. I really don't. Too many women to deal with one like that. First sign of that when dating? GONE.
01-13-2011, 07:13 AM
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01-13-2011, 08:50 AM
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cole, the posters on this site are not going to sway from downplaying the obviously huge increases in pay, qol, etc. and to stick to their foolish talking points about relative seniority.
Relative seniority is a pipe dream. It is just what it says it is...relative. The seniority they hold at Airtran is relative to the other Airtran pilots - not at the airline that is buying theirs. The lack of growth is a poor argument as well. SWA probably would have grown just fine without this. I don't seeing anything at all positive for our group with this deal. Most of the posters here, believe it or not, would actually enjoy seeing SWA struggle through this.
Relative seniority is a pipe dream. It is just what it says it is...relative. The seniority they hold at Airtran is relative to the other Airtran pilots - not at the airline that is buying theirs. The lack of growth is a poor argument as well. SWA probably would have grown just fine without this. I don't seeing anything at all positive for our group with this deal. Most of the posters here, believe it or not, would actually enjoy seeing SWA struggle through this.
01-13-2011, 08:51 AM
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cole, the posters on this site are not going to sway from downplaying the obviously huge increases in pay, qol, etc. and to stick to their foolish talking points about relative seniority.
Relative seniority is a pipe dream. It is just what it says it is...relative. The seniority they hold at Airtran is relative to the other Airtran pilots - not at the airline that is buying theirs. The lack of growth is a poor argument as well. SWA probably would have grown just fine without this. I don't seeing anything at all positive for our group with this deal. Most of the posters here, believe it or not, would actually enjoy seeing SWA struggle through this.
Relative seniority is a pipe dream. It is just what it says it is...relative. The seniority they hold at Airtran is relative to the other Airtran pilots - not at the airline that is buying theirs. The lack of growth is a poor argument as well. SWA probably would have grown just fine without this. I don't seeing anything at all positive for our group with this deal. Most of the posters here, believe it or not, would actually enjoy seeing SWA struggle through this.
01-13-2011, 12:07 PM
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Since Airtran pilots are on average about 8 years younger than SWA pilots, relative seniority turns out to be a huge roadblock to SWA pilot seniority over the long run.
It's not just a windfall for them, it will cost SWA pilots seniority over time.
I urge you to read the very first post in this thread over again.
It's not just a windfall for them, it will cost SWA pilots seniority over time.
I urge you to read the very first post in this thread over again.
01-13-2011, 12:09 PM
#317
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Maybe the windfall for the aai guy who just got a 13 year relative bump in seniority, a huge increase in qol, and a 100k plus increase in pay is at the expense of the SWA pilots who have been at SWA longer than the aai pilot Aai pilot at airtran. Maybe???? Seems like a windfall to me.
01-13-2011, 12:15 PM
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"Relative seniority would hurt every pilot at SWA who went to SWA after leaving AAI as well as pilots who took the extra time to get hired at SWA instead of getting on at AAI earlier. Also, SWA senior pilots had a much larger percentage of retirements to look forward to in the near future. Relative seniority would shift that benefit to AAI pilots."
Future attrition based on retirements had never been considered, I don't believe, until the DAL/NWA sli and then only partially. Neither group agreed with that decision.
Future attrition based on retirements had never been considered, I don't believe, until the DAL/NWA sli and then only partially. Neither group agreed with that decision.
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01-13-2011, 12:50 PM
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