CaptCoolHand

I'd vote for the pilot values and blue juicers union at this point...

Fins Up

I'm sure this has been said at least 50 times already in this thread but I don't think a JBPA would be the way to go. The company has made it clear that they will be hostile toward any union, in-house or otherwise. I think an in-house would suffer the same fate as NPA. Let's skip the part where the in-house union is bled dry by the more powerful and financial stacked company and go straight to the part where we have strong financial backing on our side.

In any case, I want a CBA and will vote as necessary to get one.

Captbimmer

I don't think it's appropriate to have pvBJu floating around, especially here at jb...just sayin'.

Captbimmer

50?? And ALPA over 200...so who's beatin' the dead horse more here? IF it was done correctly it COULD work as it's difficult to get everyone onboard with ALPA for reasons mentioned all over this forum.

Lets see how this retirement plays out...hopefully it's not too much of a joke.

CaptCoolHand

weeeeelll..... I hadn't thought that far down the road. I mean... aaahhh never mind, I'm not goin there!!

Bluedriver

I'm getting the strong feeling that this retirement will be a joke. And we still won't have a profit sharing plan. None.

ERJF15

WELCOME TO DALLAS!!!


Now give me job!

lake alice

And the retirement is out and YES it's a joke. Although we are behind bluejet will only focus on going from 5+5 to maybe 12-13% depending on whether they AGREE with BDO. You can forget about the additional 5% that would make us industry standard.

So to sum up BDO and Ford and Harrison agree that industry standard is 18%. Bluejet will only go as high as 12-13 maybe.

But as many have accurately pointed out we have culture.

I would like to personally thank all the BoB's and no-voters. You've done bluejet and the industry proud.

Rake222

If ever B6 goes union the company changes hands in 12 months or less and mergers/acquisitions wrap up soon thereafter. Pure unadulterated financial inevitability. B6 is a low margins domestic carrier - fighting to keep alive in the leaner and meaner world of people moving. The ex-fuel CASM is the deal breaker. With cost structures nuked and dictated by unions, the model at JetBlue is dead. Leadership leaves and it won't even be B6 signing the company away in less than a year - it will be hedgefund, etc.

All union wannabe's will dispute this and are clearly F*ckn either ignorant and so self motivated by a few percentage points they'll fly the equivalent of a good plane into the ground. That's what a union at B6 will factually accomplish.

If B6 is behind in retirement and benefits suck it up. It's the only thing keep you employed. Stay employed on just a little bit less than everyone else and stay employed a lot longer. Go for the proverbial airline "parity +" b/c you are so great and kiss your airline goodbye. How did big contractual gains and supped up benefits work up to this point for many? Most at B6 are from other carriers who failed at the same attempt.

If the non union pilots at JetBlue continued with their intelligence they'd sit and wait it out and be happy to have jobs solidly good jobs. If the cost structure is "handed over" to the ALPA and it's national telling the popularity contest MEC's what to do you're in the worst career changer of your life.

Anyone who tells you unions are the answer at B6 usually follow very little other than their reflections in the window as they head to the next gate.

This is for the people at JetBlue who don't always tell the union supporters to go take a walk. And who by the way are the large majority last time we all checked. =)

Flyby1206

Ex-fuel CASM will increase with longevity labor costs regardless of having a union or not. If B6 mgmt was to counteract this inevitable cost increase by cutting wages/benefits, then it is a sure fire way of getting a union on property anyways.

Would being sold to another carrier who can handle a unionized workforce be such a bad thing? If the jetblue business model is so weak that it can't sustain itself with a unionized workforce then we should just rip off the band-aid and get this over with. This is a predominantly unionized industry.