grim04

If you have to look on the list to see if anyone you know is on it. Chances are you weren't close enough to that guy or girl to get a recommendation. I would not stick my neck on the line for someone that I don't really know.

Turtle91

In most circumstances I would readily agree with you. However, as the original comment was made that a "reserve" buddy of his.... That implies a military background.

In the military people get moved from one assignment to another quite regularly - usually different states and sometimes different countries. Although you try - it is not always possible to keep track of where every person you've met is currently working.

It is amazing how often you meet people you've known from previous assignments. A lot of conversations tend to involve: "Hey did you hear what happened to.... or, Have you seen...lately? or, Can you believe that they gave a command to... "

During those years that you are assigned together you get to know someone pretty well. You certainly get to know if they are a good guy/gal, whether they are trustworthy, a good pilot, etc. I've been very blessed to work with outstanding individuals my whole career. There are only a couple people that I have been assigned with over the years that I would NOT recommend - but they know who they are and would not ask.

The bottom line - at least for the military types - is that just because you don't know what job they have today, doesn't mean you don't know each other well enough to give a recommendation.

Cheers!

Sig178

Yes you do have to work for the company because it is most definitely a a privacy concern. Even if you know someone, they shouldn't be sending you a list you're not on, although I'm sure people have in the past. I understand you have a military background and people move around, but I must agree with the Grim04 that "If you have to look on the list to see if anyone you know is on it. Chances are you weren't close enough to that guy or girl to get a recommendation. ". Not trying to be rude in anyway, I just wouldn't be asking around for anyones list, not just JB. I would look into some up coming job fairs that I think JB will be at. Best of luck.

flyn2001

...and i'm going to agree w/ turtle on this one. It sounds like you do NOT have a mil background and have never had the opportunity to be placed on a 4-wk SRT with an aircrew, flying combat missions into $hit holes and sleeping together in crappy little clamshell tents in the middle east. Only to realize that when you return home, buddies of yours have already pcs'd to new bases. I have friends I haven't talked to in years, but guess what, if I talked to them today, it would be as if we flew that mission just yesterday! Doesn't mean I "didn't know him well enough", doesn't mean I don't like him.

If he said..."Did you know so and so is flying at JB now?" I would have NO heartache calling them for a rec AND asking for a seniority list. I don't know who/where u work, but where I work we call that the bro-network! Helping each other succeed and achieve their goals/dreams.

If you were mil, then you know what i'm talking about (and r just dissappointing me) or you are not and will never understand the brotherhood of those that have served with one another!

Bring on the spears!

Turtle91

Hey Sig,
I'm not taking what your saying as rude - I totally understand where you are coming from. Actually, I think we are saying the same thing but from different perspectives.

The original post was of a guy mentioning that he had to get a seniority list to see if anyone he knew was on it. I thought that those lists were considered "close hold" for privacy reasons, but like I said, I'm new to this civilian side of flying. So I asked if there was some way I wasn't aware of to get them. A simple "no, they are close hold due to privacy reasons" would have been sufficient.

However, the comment was made that you had to be on the list to see it. I thought that was funny/ironic - thus I commented and used the little symbol. And then mentioned that I understood the whole privacy concern thing.

Then there was a comment about "if you don't know that someone is on the list you aren't close enough to ask for a rec".

I had to comment on that, because it is not true in some cases. I understand that in the civilian world flying is a JOB and it is much more rare to develop the friendships that military members regularly experience because they are in WAY different situations. If I had your background (I'm assuming not military) I would think the same way. I was just trying to point out that your reasoning is not accurate from the military perspective. And no, I'm not saying one way is better than the other, just different.

Flyn2001 hit the nail on the head when he talks about military camaraderie. I have no idea who he is because of the anonymous names, but I know he has a C-17 background. Since I've been flying C-17's for 15+ years, we have PROBABLY been assigned together at some point. If I knew that he worked at JB I would have no problems AT ALL calling him up (or PMing) and seeing if we know each other. Even if we didn't know each other directly, we could probably find someone that we knew in common that he could refer me to. In civilian terms, I believe that is called NETWORKING. In the military that is just called helping out your bro's.

To everyone - sorry for the thread drift!

Good luck to all,

Captbimmer

Some people just have their whitey tighties all up in a wad which can be quite frustrating (just recently changed to trunks myself). Turtle91, I can see where you are coming from and I'm 100% civilian and it's not a hard view from your perspective. However, I have absolutely no idea how to search/find the seniority list with the thousands of internal links/websites that jetBlue has to offer. If I knew...I'd send it to you because I truthfully believe you wouldn’t use it as a weapon of mass destruction. A seniority list, to some, is considered private/privileged information (although it’s not hard to get your hands on one if you do the proper research). IMHO, you can find a lot more on Facebook nowadays than a dopey list with names and numbers on it. Privacy doesn’t mean what it used to…

Sig178

For one, I haven't had tighty whiteys since I was 8. Secondly, I understand the differences with military guys, but I (and most others) don't want our list being sent to whomever wants it on the internet. As soon as one person gets it, it will surely get posted online, even though most don't have bad intentions, some online do. It's company material not to be distributed. Like I said earlier, chances are there are some people who will send it out. You claimed you would, but can't figure out where it is?? Seriously?? It's not hidden at all so you either don't work here or you are not comfortable sending to online people either and that's your excuse. To all the military people, a sincere thank you for your service to all of us. Best of luck with everything

CaptCoolHand

Really? you don't know where the seniority list is?

Captbimmer

I never bothered to look because I never had a need to. Bottom line, if someone wants it they will find it regardless. Company material. Not SSI.

Diesel1030

thread steer... do any current JB guys know if its possible while sitting reserve to put in a request for an opentime trip that aligns with my RSV duty in flica? I've tried it, but always gets denied as its conflicting with my RSV schedule. Thanks for the help!