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Old 01-22-2013, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
Here is a question? If everything lags now as you say it does then it certainly lagged when you got here right? Then why did you come to B6?
Simple, because I am of the belief that it behooves you to get out of the FFD regional blood-bath ASAP. As long as your company doesn't own its brand there is zero long-term job security (see Comair, ACA/Independence, Pinnacle/Mesaba, etc...).

In 2007 the companies that were hiring were, IIRC, JetBlue, USAirways, United, Delta, Northwest, Fedex, Southwest, and Airtran. Didn't want any part of US or UA, would have gone to SW if I had scored an interview without paying for a type first, would have been happy with DL, NW, or Fedex (ha, ha). DL never called, NW called after I was already 1/2 way through class here. Everything certainly lagged more than it does now, with the exception of our abominable health care. And yet there were promises: 6-9 month upgrade, future changes to compensation, reviews of processes as we matured, etc. Also, my friends who already worked here were generally happy.

You seem to conveniently ignore that I don't tear down JetBlue every chance I get: I enjoy my co-workers and many aspects of the job. I also happen to live in Boston so leaving is not my best option, but I still consider it. Frankly, I value my professional skills, investment in my career, and return to my family more than to lag the industry average in every category; meanwhile you've never answered why you're so emotionally invested in NOT fighting for more.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Simple, because I am of the belief that it behooves you to get out of the FFD regional blood-bath ASAP. As long as your company doesn't own its brand there is zero long-term job security (see Comair, ACA/Independence, Pinnacle/Mesaba, etc...).

In 2007 the companies that were hiring were, IIRC, JetBlue, USAirways, United, Delta, Northwest, Fedex, Southwest, and Airtran. Didn't want any part of US or UA, would have gone to SW if I had scored an interview without paying for a type first, would have been happy with DL, NW, or Fedex (ha, ha). DL never called, NW called after I was already 1/2 way through class here. Everything certainly lagged more than it does now, with the exception of our abominable health care. And yet there were promises: 6-9 month upgrade, future changes to compensation, reviews of processes as we matured, etc. Also, my friends who already worked here were generally happy.

You seem to conveniently ignore that I don't tear down JetBlue every chance I get: I enjoy my co-workers and many aspects of the job. I also happen to live in Boston so leaving is not my best option, but I still consider it. Frankly, I value my professional skills, investment in my career, and return to my family more than to lag the industry average in every category; meanwhile you've never answered why you're so emotionally invested in NOT fighting for more.
Fair is Fair. I am willing to help by staying educated, volunteer (which I do)and make our profession better as it sounds like you do everyday. I also fight for our veterans here on the property as well as mentor. I am very involved here.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
Yes I am basing my on experience. You are telling me that we would negotiate from what we have now? How am I incorrect? Yea that's how it works ? That would be easy huh? Everything would be on the table. Grow up? Really? If guess you know way more than me huh?
I asked you before, do the pilots get to vote on a negotiated contract?

Why would you vote for something less when EVERY other carrier has more?

On what grounds does the company say you don't get industry average?

If the pilot shortage comes to fruition wouldn't the pilot group be negotiating with an advantage?

If this company loses 200 pilots in less then a year jets will be parked.

Isn't the company shooting themselves in the foot by negotiating a contract that creates a tremendous amount of attrition?

Are you in favor of the direct relationship or should we vote in representation?
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:06 AM
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I hate to throw an off topic post in here, but I figured this would be a good group to ask with an fll base. Can anyone point me in the right direction for good/cheap hotels in the FLL area with an airline discount? I have called a few and rates I was given was exceptionally high (300plus). Thanks guys.
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
You guessed wrong. Ask around what was promised at interviews from quick upgrades to pay rates within 2% of SWA!


So, yes. Why did you ask? Can you answer that?

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What's it like to be the only pilot whose career didn't turn out as promised at an interview?
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by hair-on-fire
What's it like to be the only pilot whose career didn't turn out as promised at an interview?
Ahh, that's funny. It sucks and is true yet still funny!!
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by hair-on-fire
What's it like to be the only pilot whose career didn't turn out as promised at an interview?

Your question is moot Brother. Hyperboy asked an interview specific question to which I gave an answer.


Too bad he couldn't answer my question.



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Old 01-23-2013, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hair-on-fire
What's it like to be the only pilot whose career didn't turn out as promised at an interview?
Many weren't promised anything at the interview and took the job at face value.

The problem comes downline... like two years into employment. When the CEO and the COO tells you to your face that they intend to improve compensation. Compensation, retirement, work rules, the list goes on and on...

Improvments that never come...

Either your a man of your word or your a piece of Schitt that lies to get what you need.

That's where the heart burn comes from.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
The reason he mentioned Pinnacle is that Pinnacle is an ALPA carrier that took a large concession recently. Unions mean everything, right?
For the umpteenth friggin' time, it's not the union. It was their ***** ass reps from their MEC. I fly in the Guard with one of their -900 Captains.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruise
Don't be ignorant your entire life........

Your buddy at CAL may just be an unhappy person and wouldn't be happy unless he got paid to stay home. I know many, many people at CAL and they enjoy it. They have a new CBA with reasonable pay rates......certainly better than jetBlue.

Also, ALPA had ZERO to due with the situation at Pinnacle. Ignorant management negotiated money-losing deals with their mainline partners. There is only one reason Pinnacle is in the situation they're in.....POOR MANAGEMENT.
Yup...they call people like them Liberals who are part of the "gimme gimme gimme" generation!
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