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Old 01-19-2013, 05:50 PM
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And I agree Pinacle/Comair vs JetBlue is apples to oranges but it does show how much Alpa supports airlines it doesn't care about. Anyone really think it will care about a a pilot group the size of JetBlue if It really hits the Fan?
How did ALPA not support Pinnacle. Pinnacle was bankrupt and their pilot group got to vote...did they not?
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:54 PM
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I'm definitely not for turning against fellow pilots unless its something way out in right field
Where you here during the campaign? I saw a no voter scream at yes voter saying you can't promise me anything! I read countless emails from the BOB with outright lies. The no vote crowd was quite hostile in many cases.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:56 PM
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Come again? You mean the same fantasy a lot of you are having now? I don't get this, honest
Please, I've heard so many JetBlue pilots boast and hope for the competition to go out of business. I've seen it on these message boards.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:56 PM
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I honestly don't know the specifics of the Pinnae agreement. I'll admit to that, but at the same time I just don't see ALPA national stepping up for the little guy when it is really needed. Face it, JetBlue, in the eyes of ALPA National, would be a little guy. I'm honestly not anti CBA I'm just a little skeptical of paying someone who really just wants us out.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:59 PM
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I honestly don't know the specifics of the Pinnae agreement. I'll admit to that, but at the same time I just don't see ALPA national stepping up for the little guy when it is really needed. Face it, JetBlue, in the eyes of ALPA National, would be a little guy. I'm honestly not anti CBA I'm just a little skeptical of paying someone who really just wants us out.
Specifically what is it that you think ALPA could have done different for Pinnacle? Please let's deal in specifics. Again, Hawaiian and Alaska are smaller, ALPA, and have better pay and benefits.
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:03 PM
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I honestly don't know the specifics of the Pinnae agreement. I'll admit to that, but at the same time I just don't see ALPA national stepping up for the little guy when it is really needed. Face it, JetBlue, in the eyes of ALPA National, would be a little guy. I'm honestly not anti CBA I'm just a little skeptical of paying someone who really just wants us out.


MEMPHIS, TENN -- Pinnacle Airlines Corp.'s wholly owned subsidiary, Pinnacle Airlines, Inc., announced today that its pilots group, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), ratified the tentative agreement reached with ALPA in December.

The changes in the ratified agreement, which covers pilot pay, retirement, work rules and benefits, will become effective when concessions are implemented for the airline's other labor groups and non-union employees.

"Through the constructive efforts of Pinnacle and ALPA, we were able to achieve our goal of reaching a consensual agreement with our pilots. We have now reached agreements with all of our unions following the previously announced agreements with the Association of Flight Attendants and the Transport Workers Union. This is a significant milestone in our restructuring and represents substantial progress that we expect will allow us to successfully emerge from bankruptcy," said John Spanjers , president and CEO of Pinnacle Airlines Corp.

A hearing is scheduled on Jan. 16 for the Bankruptcy Court to consider approval of the tentative agreement with ALPA and the other agreements that Pinnacle expects to facilitate its emergence from bankruptcy.



About Pinnacle Airlines Corp.

Pinnacle Airlines Corp., an airline holding company with 5,100 employees, is the parent company of Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. Flying as Delta Connection, Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. operates 191 regional jets on 1,000 daily flights more than 100 cities in the United States and Canada. Corporate offices are located in Memphis, Tenn., and hub operations are located in Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis and New York. Visit Welcome to Pinnacle Airlines Corp. | Located in Memphis, Tenn. for more information.
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:03 PM
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AirTran was smaller too. What did they get? And I get it, it's who you elect as a pilot group. Who's elected has a lot to do with it. That would be a fair statement, one that would be hard to argue with, but when I see the attitudes of the really Pro ALPA guys, I gotta tell ya, it makes me nervous.
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I honestly don't know the specifics of the Pinnae agreement. I'll admit to that, but at the same time I just don't see ALPA national stepping up for the little guy when it is really needed. Face it, JetBlue, in the eyes of ALPA National, would be a little guy. I'm honestly not anti CBA I'm just a little skeptical of paying someone who really just wants us out.
From the Pinnacle MEC....


Restructuring Agreement Ratified

With more than 86 percent of eligible Pinnacle pilots casting ballots, 85 percent voted in favor of ratifying the Restructuring Letter of Agreement.

In this vote you were asked to decide to do what was best for our pilot group as a whole, taking into account the dire circumstances in which we found ourselves.

choose to vote in favor of the TA means a significant cost to each of you, both in terms of quality of life and pay. Some of our pilots will see wage cuts alone that equal nearly 25%, and that is without taking into account displacements due to loss of equipment. This vote was the final piece of the company’s restructuring plan. Having moved past this vote, the work begins to improve our carrier, our operation, as well as our contract.

Management failures were responsible for Pinnacle’s current financial crisis, but it was only this sacrifice by you, the professional pilots of Pinnacle airlines, that could preserve a future for the airline and its employees. In that future, we will seek out new employment opportunities for those pilots who no longer see a viable career path at Pinnacle while we protect and shore up the restructured contract for those who remain.

The pilot-ratified contract will now be submitted to the Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York for final approval tomorrow.
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:06 PM
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AirTran was smaller too. What did they get? And I get it, it's who you elect as a pilot group. Who's elected has a lot to do with it. That would be a fair statement, one that would be hard to argue with, but when I see the attitudes of the really Pro ALPA guys, I gotta tell ya, it makes me nervous.
They right to vote is what they got. By the way they were living under the contract negotiated by their wonderful in house union that was charging 3% dues.
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumbs882
AirTran was smaller too. What did they get? And I get it, it's who you elect as a pilot group. Who's elected has a lot to do with it. That would be a fair statement, one that would be hard to argue with, but when I see the attitudes of the really Pro ALPA guys, I gotta tell ya, it makes me nervous.
What scared me is many of the no voters are committee members. They have been on one committee after another and get trips bought time and time again. In turn they pick up trips and consistently credit 120+ hours. I wonder how many of these folks want to see things change?
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