Trkytr

I understand why some people think JetBlue needs a union. I am strongly against it. You keep talking to us like we just don't get it. We do get what your saying, so you can stop repeating yourselves. My opinion is a union would hurt JetBlue as a company, which in turn hurts me as a pilot. JetBlue will get better pay and benefits when the free market demands it. Right now there just isn't enough hiring at other companies, when the legacies start to hire and JetBlue starts losing and/or is unable to hire pilots they need they will be forced to pay more. When 5 companies are trying to hire the same pilots the company that compensates the best will get them. That will be the company that can afford it. The free market will decide that, not a union. Unions kill the free market, unions are a cancer to the airlines and America. Let the market decide what people pay and how much people make.

Here is a good read some have probably seen before.

What is Good for JetBlue - BlueWaypoints

alvrb211

A good read??

Are you freakin' joking?

She says her Dad got 28 long years of steady employment before having to "medically retire". Wow. Think you'll even see half those years in steady employment at JB????

She says every year she has seen some improvement in her contract. Has she seen the recent healthcare changes??? After years of "improvements" how come she's still below average in every category??????


So, you believe below average compensation in every category and healthcare to match rampies and gate agents is good for you?????


Why is that good for you?

Why is that not good for SWA/DAL/AK/UAL/AA

What do you have that they don't??

You think a union would hurt JB and in turn hurt you as a Pilot????

FYI- Your current sub par compensation is proof YOU ARE ALREADY HURTING as a Pilot. And, that's at an Airline enjoying record profits!


Wake up dude!


JJ

Kellwolf

The problem with this outlook is we will lag behind everyone else. We're starting out behind everyone else as it is. One of the major concerns since jetBlue's beginnings has been how to attract quality people to the carrier that would fit with the culture. The people that will go above and beyond for the customer as well as the company. Well, those people might not even give jetBlue a second glance if we stay so far behind the rest as far as QoL and compensation. They'll be going above and beyond for other carriers instead of coming here. Then you've got the problem of those that are already here jumping ship for various reasons.

The key here is we can't wait until we're already having problems attracting and retaining people, which is what you suggest. That program has to start NOW before every other carrier starts hiring in droves.

jetlink

Are you jetBlue pilot yet, in November 2012 you were still in the pool, yet you are convinced ALPA is bad for B6, What makes you so sure? Why don’t you work there for few months and see first. I know you excited and all, but making strong statements and having an opinion about the place that you don’t know anything yet is kind of ignorant don’t you think?
Why don’t you read this: http://www.bluetruthpilots.com/
And perhaps it would be wise to signup for www.bluepilots.com if you are a jetblue pilot.
BlueWays is very touchy if you filter the fact that her flight training and academics were paid by dad’s TWA money, she has really struggle to get through college and took a bunch of loans for flight training that she can’t paid off now – right?
In addition, her being hired at the preferential group at TWA pilots with lower minimums, had nothing to do with fact that her father was a pilot there, or am I too harsh again?

alvrb211

Dude, it is always refreshing to hear from someone who totally understands this business. Enjoy your new gig. I have great friends over there. Just gotta be patient.


JJ

johnso29

Nope. You're comparing two different kinds of businesses. They are structurally different.

Trkytr

I forgot, you know everything. You should start your own airline. Pay the pilots the most in the industry unto you go bankrupt. If your are so valuable then just go somewhere and get paid what you think your worth. Just because my opinion on unions and yours is different dosnt make me stupid, new, or ignorant. I don't like unions, and think they are bad, not just for airlines, for everyone. I told your before I understand what you are saying but I don't have to agree with you, no matter how many times you say it. Then you come at me hostile like, trying to bully me into agreeing with you.

alvrb211

Very true. And in terms of business characteristics, Majors and Regionals have little in common.

And, this thread is about Major Airlines and in particular B6. As far as regionals are concerned, we don't have a dog in that fight. Sorry!


JJ

johnso29

I think that's exactly what he did.

And if you can't participate in debates without calling people names like a child, then please don't participate.

alvrb211

WOW!


It's very odd that you are a Pilot in an industry where the vast majority of Airlines are unionized. You should do something else.

I had a feeling you would dodge my previous questions too.

You don't like unions? Why don't you tell us what major problems unions have caused during the last decade in our industry?

I take it you haven't studied labor economics before?


JJ