"Latest and Greatest" about jetBlue
12-25-2012, 10:28 AM
#3091
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Pretty interesting cameo by the JetBlue CEO yesterday on Closing Bell on CNBC, he was pretty adamant about putting the aviation industry in the public consciousness and ensuring that Washington understands the importance of the aviation industry.
I know the haters will probably slag this, but any good publicity can't hurt.
I know the haters will probably slag this, but any good publicity can't hurt.
12-25-2012, 10:40 AM
#3092
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Pretty interesting cameo by the JetBlue CEO yesterday on Closing Bell on CNBC, he was pretty adamant about putting the aviation industry in the public consciousness and ensuring that Washington understands the importance of the aviation industry.
I know the haters will probably slag this, but any good publicity can't hurt.
I know the haters will probably slag this, but any good publicity can't hurt.
This is a long but excellent interview with Crandall, and among other things he talks about the need for clear government policy, whatever it may be. Everyone should check it out if you have time:
DePaul University College of Law
12-25-2012, 03:50 PM
#3093
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I tend to agree with this. It would at least be helpful to have some clear government policy as to the goals and direction of the industry.
This is a long but excellent interview with Crandall, and among other things he talks about the need for clear government policy, whatever it may be. Everyone should check it out if you have time:
DePaul University College of Law
This is a long but excellent interview with Crandall, and among other things he talks about the need for clear government policy, whatever it may be. Everyone should check it out if you have time:
DePaul University College of Law
... what PAC or political voice in Wash DC have the JB pilots?
At a minimum, you generate revenue, which then JB management decides to use towards membership and PACs, in A4A, formally known as the Air Transport Association, formed in 1936, in part to counter ALPA's effectiveness as a Washington DC lobby.
At some point you all might wake up and realize that JB pilots are like any other corporate wage slave, yet the burdens of professionalism are heavy. You have no ability to determine the terms in your employment.... your corporate masters benevolence.... critical to your success......
Good luck.
12-25-2012, 04:23 PM
#3094
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Just because something benefits the company, doesnt mean it is always harmful to the pilots. That being said, we as pilots do need a strong voice to have a seat at the table on industry issues as well. ALPA is the best way to achieve that through their PAC.
01-13-2013, 03:04 AM
#3095
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It's amazing. State a simple fact, like the one above, without saying anything derogatory. But, merely use a term like "speak volumes" and that's being "brutal"?????
Really Sir?
Did you ever wonder, just once, "WHY" compensation is below average in every category? Does that concern you at all? Or do you just go through life not questioning anything?
Is everything just swell in your Bluethiesphere, no matter what?
JJ
01-13-2013, 07:35 AM
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Over the last decade, MANY Major Airlines have posted huge profits and hired hundreds of Pilots. Pilots at the Majors have retained industry standard benefits and protections (Medical insurance, retirement etc) and that includes the ones who came through Chapter 11.
Not all needed to sell part of their Airline to a foreign carrier.
Isn't it a little odd that "certain" Pilots couldn't (and still can't) match the contracts of Pilots who were flying under concessionary contracts?
It's a funny old business isn't it?
JJ
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01-13-2013, 07:55 AM
#3097
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Guess you did not have any response for the questions in my post? I keep very informed on both sides FYI. AlthoughI would not expect you to realize that there are a majority that stay informed and still do not believe JetBlue is the way you describe.
While disciplinary action is suppose to be confidential I am sure you are privy to all of the confidential stuff and we are to read between the lines as you know more than anybody else. The PVC said that the ongoing talks are confidential but I am sure you are in that room too? Whats with all the secrecy? Spill your guts since you "know it all" ?!
Then you tell me to pick up the BAT phone for the intel which gives ZERO credibility to your posts as does this board really. Funny how the informed ones that you disagree with..... you accuse of having there head in the sand?!
Tell us what is so bad. If the ship is sinking in the bathtub just pull the plug, it will be OK.
While disciplinary action is suppose to be confidential I am sure you are privy to all of the confidential stuff and we are to read between the lines as you know more than anybody else. The PVC said that the ongoing talks are confidential but I am sure you are in that room too? Whats with all the secrecy? Spill your guts since you "know it all" ?!
Then you tell me to pick up the BAT phone for the intel which gives ZERO credibility to your posts as does this board really. Funny how the informed ones that you disagree with..... you accuse of having there head in the sand?!
Tell us what is so bad. If the ship is sinking in the bathtub just pull the plug, it will be OK.
The difference between you and me us I educate myself on what is actually going on. I know the facts because I ask the questions. You qoute a coo who's bonus falls squarely on my nps score, which by the way, was the highest in my charm school class.
You can love or hate JetBlue. I dont care. My nps score indicates the previous. I come in here with facts you can't handle.
01-13-2013, 11:43 AM
#3099
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Yeah I know right. My friend at united has a way better contract. Better pay, insurance, gauranteed seniority advancement. He only had to be unemployed twice in the last 10 years for multiple years each time. I wonder how much more he has to make a year to make up for those years with zero income. If he would of went to B6 on his first furlough he would be a Captain making way more than his FO pay at united. So I guess it's really just how you look at it.
01-13-2013, 11:45 AM
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Richard (RJ) Eskow: JetBlue and Its Friends Are Trying to Ruin Your Old Age
JetBlue and Its Friends Are Trying to Ruin Your Old Age
Posted: 01/13/2013 12:20 pm
A new press release says that 40 more corporate CEOs, including JetBlue's, have joined a covert lobbying group for Wall Street, billionaires, and the defense industry called "Fix the Debt." Fix the Debt is attacking Social Security, Medicare, and other vital government programs in the name of "deficit reduction" -- while at the same time pushing deficit-busting tax cuts for its wealthy and powerful backers.
JetBlue has joined some of the nation's most hypocritical recipients of corporate welfare, like Goldman Sachs and Pentagon contractor Honeywell, in an effort to maximize their own already-swollen bank accounts by destroying your financial future.
Every one of the companies on Fix the Debt's CEO list have decided to stand with Wall Street bailout kings and defense billionaires against their own customers. Remember that the next time you need to fly somewhere -- maybe to Washington, where you can help defend our democracy from corporate predation.
"On Behalf of Myself and the Flight Crew ..."
The Campaign for America's Future has been exposing Fix the Debt's bogus agenda for a long time. The Public Accountability Initiative has documented the group's ties to the defense industry. And advocacy journalists and progressive organizations aren't the only ones who've seen through Fix the Debt's scam. The New York Times ran a lengthy exposé of the group just last week. (See "Public Goals, Private Interests in Debt Campaign.")
That didn't deter JetBlue's David Barger from offering some juicy quotes for Fix the Debt's latest press release. "The reality of the matter is that we must forge the right path for the country together," said Barger, "and everyone, regardless of political, economic or social background, is going to have to make concessions and chip in to ensure the strength of the economy."
JetBlue hasn't been this openly out of touch with people's hardships since the company left 100 passengers stranded on the tarmac for seven hours without food, water, or bathroom facilities. That situation became so extreme that the flight's captain eventually begged airport officials to send police because the crew "can't seem to get any help from our own company."
Barger displays similar callousness when he suggest that "everyone, regardless of political, economic, or social background" is going to have to "chip in" for the Fix the Debt agenda.
Unshared Sacrifice
"Chip in"? Fix the Debt's corporate and billionaire backers - now including JetBlue - are actually proposing lower tax rates for corporations like JetBlue and millionaires like Barger, while at the same time encouraging cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits. How cynical can you get?
"Chip in"? The middle class has endured decades of wage stagnation and years of record highs in unemployment. Yet Barger and his pampered pals want us to worry about the Federal deficit before we worry about unemployment, and to do it by imposing austerity measures that would further hurt our economy - and can also increase the deficit too, as the IMF just acknowledged.
"Chip in"? Barger targets all "economic" and "social" backgrounds. So the impoverished need to "chip in" to support tax cuts for corporations and millionaires? In a nation where corporate profits are at record highs and their actual tax rates are at record lows? (This chart illustrate that.)
"Chip in"? When poverty has soared to record levels? Nearly one in four American children now lives in poverty, but their hunger and thirst is apparently of no more interest to JetBlue than that of 100 passengers at Newark Airport.
The last time I flew cross-country I swore that nothing could make me go back to American Airlines. Guess I was wrong.
Bad Company
Of course, Barger wasn't the only CEO jumping on board this cynical train. Fix the Debt's press release quoted Reid Hoffman, co-founder and executive chairman of LinkedIn, as saying "The national debt is a problem that's not going away, so neither are we."
But that's exactly what Fix the Debt should do: Go away.
And when it comes to LinkedIn, the website for connecting professional colleagues with one another, I think I'll go away too. It's a good website. But when it comes to using social media for professional purposes there are good alternatives, like Facebook and Twitter. Their CEOs aren't on Fix the Debt's list: I checked.
But Microsoft's Steve Ballmer is, which makes me glad I'm no longer using Windows. DirectTV's CEO is there, which makes me glad I went back to using ground cable. (Well, almost.)
Bridgestone's CEO is there too, which I'll remember the next time I need tires. Macy's CEO is there, too, but I can meet my department store needs at the many other fine establishments which anchor our nation's malls.
You may want to review the list to see which companies are using their clout to ruin your old age. Maybe it will help you make your next 'buy' decision.
A Memo to the Board
Some of these corporations will argue that they haven't endorsed this lobbying campaign, that their CEOs are acting merely as individuals. Sorry. It doesn't work that way. Fix the Debt is capitalizing on corporation names: "JetBlue" is in their press release's headline, not the obscure name of David Barger.
That means JetBlue is responsible for Barger's actions. Same goes for the other CEOs and corporations. If they're acting without the authority of their boards of directors, that's a matter for the boards to take up at their next meetings.
And if any of these CEOs are running their corporations with the same financial illiteracy that Fix the Debt displays in its propaganda, the boards should consider that too.
Posted: 01/13/2013 12:20 pm
A new press release says that 40 more corporate CEOs, including JetBlue's, have joined a covert lobbying group for Wall Street, billionaires, and the defense industry called "Fix the Debt." Fix the Debt is attacking Social Security, Medicare, and other vital government programs in the name of "deficit reduction" -- while at the same time pushing deficit-busting tax cuts for its wealthy and powerful backers.
JetBlue has joined some of the nation's most hypocritical recipients of corporate welfare, like Goldman Sachs and Pentagon contractor Honeywell, in an effort to maximize their own already-swollen bank accounts by destroying your financial future.
Every one of the companies on Fix the Debt's CEO list have decided to stand with Wall Street bailout kings and defense billionaires against their own customers. Remember that the next time you need to fly somewhere -- maybe to Washington, where you can help defend our democracy from corporate predation.
"On Behalf of Myself and the Flight Crew ..."
The Campaign for America's Future has been exposing Fix the Debt's bogus agenda for a long time. The Public Accountability Initiative has documented the group's ties to the defense industry. And advocacy journalists and progressive organizations aren't the only ones who've seen through Fix the Debt's scam. The New York Times ran a lengthy exposé of the group just last week. (See "Public Goals, Private Interests in Debt Campaign.")
That didn't deter JetBlue's David Barger from offering some juicy quotes for Fix the Debt's latest press release. "The reality of the matter is that we must forge the right path for the country together," said Barger, "and everyone, regardless of political, economic or social background, is going to have to make concessions and chip in to ensure the strength of the economy."
JetBlue hasn't been this openly out of touch with people's hardships since the company left 100 passengers stranded on the tarmac for seven hours without food, water, or bathroom facilities. That situation became so extreme that the flight's captain eventually begged airport officials to send police because the crew "can't seem to get any help from our own company."
Barger displays similar callousness when he suggest that "everyone, regardless of political, economic, or social background" is going to have to "chip in" for the Fix the Debt agenda.
Unshared Sacrifice
"Chip in"? Fix the Debt's corporate and billionaire backers - now including JetBlue - are actually proposing lower tax rates for corporations like JetBlue and millionaires like Barger, while at the same time encouraging cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits. How cynical can you get?
"Chip in"? The middle class has endured decades of wage stagnation and years of record highs in unemployment. Yet Barger and his pampered pals want us to worry about the Federal deficit before we worry about unemployment, and to do it by imposing austerity measures that would further hurt our economy - and can also increase the deficit too, as the IMF just acknowledged.
"Chip in"? Barger targets all "economic" and "social" backgrounds. So the impoverished need to "chip in" to support tax cuts for corporations and millionaires? In a nation where corporate profits are at record highs and their actual tax rates are at record lows? (This chart illustrate that.)
"Chip in"? When poverty has soared to record levels? Nearly one in four American children now lives in poverty, but their hunger and thirst is apparently of no more interest to JetBlue than that of 100 passengers at Newark Airport.
The last time I flew cross-country I swore that nothing could make me go back to American Airlines. Guess I was wrong.
Bad Company
Of course, Barger wasn't the only CEO jumping on board this cynical train. Fix the Debt's press release quoted Reid Hoffman, co-founder and executive chairman of LinkedIn, as saying "The national debt is a problem that's not going away, so neither are we."
But that's exactly what Fix the Debt should do: Go away.
And when it comes to LinkedIn, the website for connecting professional colleagues with one another, I think I'll go away too. It's a good website. But when it comes to using social media for professional purposes there are good alternatives, like Facebook and Twitter. Their CEOs aren't on Fix the Debt's list: I checked.
But Microsoft's Steve Ballmer is, which makes me glad I'm no longer using Windows. DirectTV's CEO is there, which makes me glad I went back to using ground cable. (Well, almost.)
Bridgestone's CEO is there too, which I'll remember the next time I need tires. Macy's CEO is there, too, but I can meet my department store needs at the many other fine establishments which anchor our nation's malls.
You may want to review the list to see which companies are using their clout to ruin your old age. Maybe it will help you make your next 'buy' decision.
A Memo to the Board
Some of these corporations will argue that they haven't endorsed this lobbying campaign, that their CEOs are acting merely as individuals. Sorry. It doesn't work that way. Fix the Debt is capitalizing on corporation names: "JetBlue" is in their press release's headline, not the obscure name of David Barger.
That means JetBlue is responsible for Barger's actions. Same goes for the other CEOs and corporations. If they're acting without the authority of their boards of directors, that's a matter for the boards to take up at their next meetings.
And if any of these CEOs are running their corporations with the same financial illiteracy that Fix the Debt displays in its propaganda, the boards should consider that too.
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