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12-14-2012, 09:11 AM
#3041
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Industry leading? That's a nice thought and all, but I sure as hell don't want to be the top dog in this cut throat business.
Pay me fair and on time, that's all I ask.
Delta will retire 4.2% of their pilots in the next 4 years. That means a new hire today will move up from weekend reserve, to weekend reserve. Hmmmmmm.....oh well, they are not even hiring anyways. So that's a mute point!
I'd surely say that JetBlue is a much better place to get hired at today. The product continues to catch on daily and grow the operation. Just yesterday they announced another city, PHL. Customers prefer JetBlue's direct TV over Delta's double breasted uniforms anyday. Delta offers rip off ticket prices with no frills and grump service. JetBlue offers discount tickets with free TV and service with a smile.
Pay me fair and on time, that's all I ask.
Delta will retire 4.2% of their pilots in the next 4 years. That means a new hire today will move up from weekend reserve, to weekend reserve. Hmmmmmm.....oh well, they are not even hiring anyways. So that's a mute point!
I'd surely say that JetBlue is a much better place to get hired at today. The product continues to catch on daily and grow the operation. Just yesterday they announced another city, PHL. Customers prefer JetBlue's direct TV over Delta's double breasted uniforms anyday. Delta offers rip off ticket prices with no frills and grump service. JetBlue offers discount tickets with free TV and service with a smile.
Is it beneficial to the pilot group that expansion continues, sure. But lets be realistic. With each new city we pull out of we reduce service to another. Where are the planes coming from? PIT, CLT?
Meanwhile executives are increasing their salary and bonuses while you receive a 2% pay raise with a 250% increase in health care cost.
Go online and search for the MWW video gloating on how they go you to vote no in the last election. It's comical pilots continue to drink the kool-aid.
Again, expansion is good but constant reduction in benefits is not.
12-14-2012, 11:04 AM
#3042
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Who makes a profit? WN,DL,UA....ever heard of those airlines? If JetBlue was in business as long as the legacy carriers I bet they would have gone through bankruptcy.
Questions for you...
What airline has worse healthcare?
Why are 90% of all airline pilots in this industry unionized?
12-14-2012, 11:09 AM
#3043
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Not once in your post do you mention the fact our health care, schedules, retirement, vacation, disability continue to deteriorate.
Is it beneficial to the pilot group that expansion continues, sure. But lets be realistic. With each new city we pull out of we reduce service to another. Where are the planes coming from? PIT, CLT?
Meanwhile executives are increasing their salary and bonuses while you receive a 2% pay raise with a 250% increase in health care cost.
Go online and search for the MWW video gloating on how they go you to vote no in the last election. It's comical pilots continue to drink the kool-aid.
Again, expansion is good but constant reduction in benefits is not.
Is it beneficial to the pilot group that expansion continues, sure. But lets be realistic. With each new city we pull out of we reduce service to another. Where are the planes coming from? PIT, CLT?
Meanwhile executives are increasing their salary and bonuses while you receive a 2% pay raise with a 250% increase in health care cost.
Go online and search for the MWW video gloating on how they go you to vote no in the last election. It's comical pilots continue to drink the kool-aid.
Again, expansion is good but constant reduction in benefits is not.
Preserving JetBlue's Flight Plan: Retaining a Direct Relationship with Pilots - YouTube
12-14-2012, 11:42 AM
#3044
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Now do the numbers for AA, USair, United, UPS, FEDEX. You can't prove your point with a single carrier.
There will be 111 JB retirements in the next 10 years... Why don't you roll out that DAL projection to 2022.
As for the fantastic products... Maybe you've never been through JFK on the blueside of things...
So what's your next point?
There will be 111 JB retirements in the next 10 years... Why don't you roll out that DAL projection to 2022.
Delta's Retirement numbers:
11,822 Pilots Total
2013 - 50 (0.4%)
2014 - 101 (0.8%)
2015 - 158 (1.3%)
2016 - 208 (1.7%)
Over the next 4 years, only 4.2% of the pilot group retires. If Delta over the next 4 years reduces their flying by 4.2% then there will be no new hires.
Or, if they stay the same size, over the next 4 years a new hire will only move up 4.2%.
But who knows, maybe the Delta product will turn around. The obnoxious gate agents will stop screaming at passengers, the pilots might actually single engine taxi once in a while, the management will stop wasting money with the regional airlines and they will and the fat flight attendants will loose some weight and not have to jump off a roof to get into those god-awful size 20 pink jumpsuits. It's entirely possible that the "Old Delta Charm" might come back one day.
11,822 Pilots Total
2013 - 50 (0.4%)
2014 - 101 (0.8%)
2015 - 158 (1.3%)
2016 - 208 (1.7%)
Over the next 4 years, only 4.2% of the pilot group retires. If Delta over the next 4 years reduces their flying by 4.2% then there will be no new hires.
Or, if they stay the same size, over the next 4 years a new hire will only move up 4.2%.
But who knows, maybe the Delta product will turn around. The obnoxious gate agents will stop screaming at passengers, the pilots might actually single engine taxi once in a while, the management will stop wasting money with the regional airlines and they will and the fat flight attendants will loose some weight and not have to jump off a roof to get into those god-awful size 20 pink jumpsuits. It's entirely possible that the "Old Delta Charm" might come back one day.
So what's your next point?
12-14-2012, 12:54 PM
#3045
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Your missing my point entirely.
Nobody can say that an airline will grow, shrink or stagnate. You can only look at historicaly data and the present moment to "guess" where it might end up. Your statements that, one day, Delta will will grow again, (because they said they will) means absolutely nothing.
The simple fact is, that at this present moment, Jetblue is growing and hiring, Delta is not growing or hiring.
Is that too complicated? Let me know if I can elaborate further on this for clarification.
Nobody can say that an airline will grow, shrink or stagnate. You can only look at historicaly data and the present moment to "guess" where it might end up. Your statements that, one day, Delta will will grow again, (because they said they will) means absolutely nothing.
The simple fact is, that at this present moment, Jetblue is growing and hiring, Delta is not growing or hiring.
Is that too complicated? Let me know if I can elaborate further on this for clarification.
I not missing your point. And you're still not understanding. Historical data does NOT guarantee growth. You're telling me no one has a crystal ball, yet you're guaranteeing JB will grow. I'm telling you a Delta also has airplanes coming, yet you tell me Delta isn't growing. Delta has hired while JB hasn't. What does that guarantee?
So how is it that JB's "historical data" guarantees growth? Delta has grown in the past too. So does that "historical data" guarantee Delta will grow?
Last edited by johnso29; 12-14-2012 at 01:09 PM.
12-14-2012, 12:55 PM
#3046
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Delta's Retirement numbers:
11,822 Pilots Total
2013 - 50 (0.4%)
2014 - 101 (0.8%)
2015 - 158 (1.3%)
2016 - 208 (1.7%)
Over the next 4 years, only 4.2% of the pilot group retires. If Delta over the next 4 years reduces their flying by 4.2% then there will be no new hires.
Or, if they stay the same size, over the next 4 years a new hire will only move up 4.2%.
But who knows, maybe the Delta product will turn around. The obnoxious gate agents will stop screaming at passengers, the pilots might actually single engine taxi once in a while, the management will stop wasting money with the regional airlines and they will and the fat flight attendants will loose some weight and not have to jump off a roof to get into those god-awful size 20 pink jumpsuits. It's entirely possible that the "Old Delta Charm" might come back one day.
11,822 Pilots Total
2013 - 50 (0.4%)
2014 - 101 (0.8%)
2015 - 158 (1.3%)
2016 - 208 (1.7%)
Over the next 4 years, only 4.2% of the pilot group retires. If Delta over the next 4 years reduces their flying by 4.2% then there will be no new hires.
Or, if they stay the same size, over the next 4 years a new hire will only move up 4.2%.
But who knows, maybe the Delta product will turn around. The obnoxious gate agents will stop screaming at passengers, the pilots might actually single engine taxi once in a while, the management will stop wasting money with the regional airlines and they will and the fat flight attendants will loose some weight and not have to jump off a roof to get into those god-awful size 20 pink jumpsuits. It's entirely possible that the "Old Delta Charm" might come back one day.
2017 - 260
2018 - 386
2019 - 464
2020 - 528
2021 - 710
2022 - 756
2023 - 693
2024 - 665
2025 - 532
2026 - 367
2027 - 242
2028 - 179
2029 - 149
2030 - 115
2031 - 63
2032 - 22
2033 - 252
2034 - 162
2035 - 108
2036 - 92
2037 - 47
2038 - 24
What does JB have scheduled? BTW, I'm on the 757/767 & we taxi every single leg. I've never seen a gate agent yell at one of our passengers. And we have plenty of Size 2's around. More on the way too as Delta just announced they'll hire 400 FA's in 2013. You stereotype nicely. What a peach.
Last edited by johnso29; 12-14-2012 at 01:10 PM.
12-14-2012, 01:04 PM
#3047
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Industry leading? That's a nice thought and all, but I sure as hell don't want to be the top dog in this cut throat business.
Pay me fair and on time, that's all I ask.
Delta will retire 4.2% of their pilots in the next 4 years. That means a new hire today will move up from weekend reserve, to weekend reserve. Hmmmmmm.....oh well, they are not even hiring anyways. So that's a mute point!
I'd surely say that JetBlue is a much better place to get hired at today. The product continues to catch on daily and grow the operation. Just yesterday they announced another city, PHL. Customers prefer JetBlue's direct TV over Delta's double breasted uniforms anyday. Delta offers rip off ticket prices with no frills and grump service. JetBlue offers discount tickets with free TV and service with a smile.
Pay me fair and on time, that's all I ask.
Delta will retire 4.2% of their pilots in the next 4 years. That means a new hire today will move up from weekend reserve, to weekend reserve. Hmmmmmm.....oh well, they are not even hiring anyways. So that's a mute point!
I'd surely say that JetBlue is a much better place to get hired at today. The product continues to catch on daily and grow the operation. Just yesterday they announced another city, PHL. Customers prefer JetBlue's direct TV over Delta's double breasted uniforms anyday. Delta offers rip off ticket prices with no frills and grump service. JetBlue offers discount tickets with free TV and service with a smile.
And it's a "moot point", not mute.
12-14-2012, 01:07 PM
#3048
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Delta, Us Air, UAL, Alaska, Southwest, and Spirit to name a few
Talk to me after JetBlue has been around for 80+ years. Oh snap.
Ummm....every airline in existence has grown 5%.
Ummm....every airline in existence has grown 5%.
12-14-2012, 02:14 PM
#3049
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I not missing your point. And you're still not understanding. Historical data does NOT guarantee growth. You're telling me no one has a crystal ball, yet you're guaranteeing JB will grow. I'm telling you a Delta also has airplanes coming, yet you tell me Delta isn't growing. Delta has hired while JB hasn't. What does that guarantee?
So how is it that JB's "historical data" guarantees growth? Delta has grown in the past too. So does that "historical data" guarantee Delta will grow?
So how is it that JB's "historical data" guarantees growth? Delta has grown in the past too. So does that "historical data" guarantee Delta will grow?
I'm not guaranteeing anything. For you or I to say that we will be this % or that % seniority in 1, 2, 5, 10 years is completely a wild *** guess.
Delta could be out of business in 10 years, so could JetBlue. Nobody guessed PanAm would go out of business, or TWA, or any other airline.
Again, you've missed my point. If you are wanting a major airline job today, JetBlue is the only game in town. You cannot be hired at Delta today. They are not hiring.... Period, end of discussion.
Judging airline size or shape any more than 6 months in the future is total speculation.
Those retirement numbers mean nothing. The aircraft orders mean nothing.
PanAm had alot of people retiring with predictions of upward advancement in seniority. And where did that get them?????
12-15-2012, 12:48 AM
#3050
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The 80 year remark, that was so stupid I am not even going to reply.
The 5% growth, um.... I dont see any of the legacies growing. Well they say their about to, but in reality they are merging and downsizing.
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