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Old 11-21-2012, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
If this is true, then that's illegal.
How many ways can you think of to skin a cat?

He was not terminating because he's on the OC, or part of 3A, or an "obstructionist".

But if your a CHK airman and steal thousands, you only get a 6mo vacation.
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by txbusdriver
What's new at JEtBlue?

-Health care now worst in the industry
-Former OC pilots being terminated
-FA card drive for unionization going very well
-Wheels in motion for pilot representation
-COO hates pilots

That about covers it....

Seek employment elsewhere...You've been warned.
Pardon the question:

What are "Former OC Pilots?"
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by amcflyboy
Pardon the question:

What are "Former OC Pilots?"
OC = Organizing Committee, probably from the last ALPA drive
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
If this is true, then that's illegal.
JetBlue is well aware they may be wrong in this case but ether way a staff of 30 lawyers can easily drag out this case for 2 years. In the end the pilot loses more than the corporation and they know this.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
The whole union/ non-union debate is one thing.


What's worse, is the issue of not having peer competitive compensation and benefits.

Many Pilots could live without unionization. Fair enough. But, why the lack of competitive comp and bennies????????


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The airline was started to undercut the legacies. For this to happen, the employees have to get cost less. The legacies took massive pay cuts to be brought down to Jetblue's level. Now the legacies are on the upswing again, and their pay is increasing. Unfortunately, it seems Jetblue doesn't want to increase their pay with the legacies. Now Jetblue pilots will make less than their peers again. I have no ill will towards the Jetblue pilots. I do think maybe it's time you guys unionize though.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
The airline was started to undercut the legacies. For this to happen, the employees have to get cost less. The legacies took massive pay cuts to be brought down to Jetblue's level. Now the legacies are on the upswing again, and their pay is increasing. Unfortunately, it seems Jetblue doesn't want to increase their pay with the legacies. Now Jetblue pilots will make less than their peers again. I have no ill will towards the Jetblue pilots. I do think maybe it's time you guys unionize though.
you get what you vote for and the juicers like to get taken advantage of. No other way to really put it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
you get what you vote for and the juicers like to get taken advantage of. No other way to really put it.
YOU took the job at the wage undercutting non-union low pay no protections airline. And you stayed.

No other way to really put it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate
JetBlue is well aware they may be wrong in this case but ether way a staff of 30 lawyers can easily drag out this case for 2 years. In the end the pilot loses more than the corporation and they know this.
Unless the pilot lives below his means (if you can't live on less than half of CA pay at any "big 6" airline then you can't manage your finances), takes a contract job while it works its way though the courts and then comes back to full back pay plus a much fatter bank account plus potential damages. I've known guys "taken hostage" in that type of situation before and the ones that were prepared for it came out ahead big time while some of the perpetual "paycheck to paycheck" ones were ruined or close to it.

Anyone in this country living paycheck to paycheck making 6 figures simply can't manage their money and it makes us weaker as a profession and hurts our ability to work towards making more.

If you can never "afford" to walk away, you will be forced to take whatever you're given. That's a pretty poor foundation to try and build something on.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
The airline was started to undercut the legacies. For this to happen, the employees have to get cost less. The legacies took massive pay cuts to be brought down to Jetblue's level. Now the legacies are on the upswing again, and their pay is increasing. Unfortunately, it seems Jetblue doesn't want to increase their pay with the legacies. Now Jetblue pilots will make less than their peers again. I have no ill will towards the Jetblue pilots. I do think maybe it's time you guys unionize though.
If you really believe that the legacy airlines took pay cuts "to be brought down to Jetblue's level" and the likes, you really have no clue about the history of the industry. I do agree that jetBlue management doesn't want to raise the pay now to match said carriers, but jetBlue is not responsible for the concessionary contracts.

If you'd look into it, you'd realize that pre-9/11, legacy airlines were headed toward having major issues with revenue and cost. 9/11 acted as a catalyst. However, if you continue to believe that jetBlue and other "low-cost" airlines are indeed responsible, then the same has to be said of American Airlines (B-scale wages, anyone? Which allowed for AA to grow and become what it had become recently, at the expense of United pilots who were paid more), Continental/Texas Air (look into its history), and just about every airline out there. Nothing is black and white.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
If you really believe that the legacy airlines took pay cuts "to be brought down to Jetblue's level" and the likes, you really have no clue about the history of the industry. .
Sorry, but YOU need the history lesson. UAL, LCC and DAL were ALL assigned B6 narrowbody rates by bankruptcy courts. That is simply a fact.
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