Climbto450

Although I agree with the argument that we need a CBA. I have to say everyone's insurance in everyone's industry is getting screwed thanks to our fearless leadership (as a nation). I don't blaim JB management for this problem, they are trying to adapt the best the can. I still think that we as a pilot group will come out ahead for this year. However, next year could hurt, especially with managements move away from the peer set program. The only way the pilots will get better health care is with a CBA. I am still disturbed by managements double standard with the peer set it is just one more reason why we need a CBA.

Herkulesdrvr

- Just because everyone is doing it doesn't make it right and doesn't mean you have to bend over. A cba would put things into writing as opposed to hearsay and failed promises.

- I blame them and no voters for negatively affecting pilot lives by trusting words and not a cba.

- Yes, they have said this for years and the result has been the same. Next question.

- thinking has not worked ever so why would it now? Ya know what would solidify things though? A cba, next question.

- Could hurt? No, it will hurt. No sense in mincing words, its coming and yes it will hurt.

- Actually, the only way pilots will get better anything is to quit believing things that are not spelled out in a cba. You have a problem you refer to a cba. You got hosed for something? You look in your agreed contract and hold the company accountable just like they would for you. This is a business so stop the whole trusting your friend the chief pilot or the guy who knows Dave's neighbor that said it was all good. Do you think Dave has a spelled out contract with all the options, bennies, etc or does he just trust the Board of Directors?

Climbto450

I agree with you on all of these subjects, health care is the only subject I have sympathy for management about. Without a CBA we can't have the health care our counterparts at other airlines get. Unfortunately the entire US health care system is to blame not just JB managements attempt to deal with it. As for a contract we have one with our PEA just like what Dave has the difference is Dave can afford great lawyers if he gets screwed by the board, most of us can't afford that. Until we get a CBA the pilots won't have recourse unless an individual has deep pockets, this is perhaps my biggest reason for wanting a CBA. That health care and merger protection round off my top three biggest grips with the DR.

Kellwolf

I just looked at the proposed health care plan. My regional has better health care than that, so there's little sympathy to be had for jetBlue management on that front, at least from me. Yes, health care costs are out of control and something needs to be done. However, I consider a degradation in health care to be an overall reduction in compensation. If jetBlue came out and said "We're cutting pay 7%" or something like that, people would be up in arms. However, since it's a benefit that's getting cut, it's okay?

Climbto450

The last company I worked for had the equivalent health care to crew care 1, that company has since raised their deductables and their monthly cost to near triple what they where 3 years ago. This is a national problem not just a JB problem. Thank your local congressman/senator for your paycut not just Dave and JB management. Without a CBA we will continue to be screwed on this subject if we had a CBA we could have much better insurance now not rampy/gate agent insurance. Thanks 1193!!

IQuitEagle

Yeah, as if health care costs haven't or wouldn't increase exponentially if there were another administration running the show. Or maybe you forget that premiums have been increasing at ever greater rates, long before the current administration took over.

Ernst Kessler

America has become the fattest nation in the world. First place for obesity! Too much beer drinking, over eating, fast food, cigarettes, sedentary lifestyle, liquor drinking, excess sodium, high cholestorol, lack of vegetable diet that is destroying our health. Take just a minute and look down. Can you see your shoes? If not, then you are part of the problem as well. Your unhealthiness is part of the blame.

The big question is for those who practice healthy living, eat in moderation, drink occasionally and exercise daily, will we, the smart ones, get cheaper insurance if we give full participation in the healthy rewards program?

Dave did say our new health care would be cheaper overall if we used the healthy rewards program.

Ernst Kessler

Oh and by the way to comment on all the union talk above, I'm a no voter primarily on one issue. The sales pitch from the ALPA organizing crowd is over-filled with unreasonable negativity. From one side of your mouth you are saying "it's just business don't take it personal" but then from the other side of your mouth you speak on how excruciating the frustration is and take it way too personal!

I cannot vote in ANY union that has a leadership that harbors negative actions in a personal way.

If there was a union drive that was lead with a positive tone I would be more inclined to listen to personal views from this crowd over a meal, but however, the negativity is so rediculous that it's like listening to a nagging women on a rainy day.

Climbto450

Yeah exactly why blame JB management for something that was inevitable. I would like to see a CBA but I also believe in the realistic placement of blame and I just cant put this one on my list of complaints. We as a pilot group didn't vote for a CBA so why blame JB management for that.

benzoate

You voted "NO" because of tone?

You voted no despite the worst insurance, retirement, disability, merger protection, vacation because of tone?

I'm probably going to get suspended by the mods for my next comment but you sir are an absolute moron.

You exemplify why we are behind in nearly every category, why we will be acquired with little or no integration and why we have little shot of ever leading any measurable financial category in the industry.
JetBlue intentionally makes sure your PEA and have 5 documents allow for seperate operations in the event of a merger but you were upset about tone with the people working on your behalf.

Absolutely pathetic. Your myopic view is going to ruin all our careers. Again, you are a moron.