Flyby1206

There will no doubt be some people who leave, most likely junior CAs and mid-level/junior FOs. Still, it will not be anywhere near the levels of movement like the legacy carriers will be guaranteed to see with age 65 retirements (50%+ of a seniority list in 10yrs)

Holding the most junior FO position in MCO is about the same as system-wide junior CA position! You might be waiting a while

I agree, I wouldnt mind being a long term FO at a company with the above benefits like you mention. We should all look at the lack of retirements as a wakeup call to make jetblue the type of place you can sit as an FO(or junior RSV CA) for a long period of time without suffering ridiculous qol/pay/benefits.

Kellwolf

Don't think there are any 2 year CAs. I personally know a couple of guys that have been awarded MCO FO on the 190, though, and they've been there a little over 2 years. Now, I doubt that will KEEP happening with the 190 slowing down. Junior Bus FO, yeah, that's about the same as junior bus CA in JFK or BOS from what I hear.

I'm commuting to JFK as it is with my current regional, so being based in BOS or JFK doesn't change my life a whole lot. But the carrot dangling in my face of eventually driving to work (even if it is years down the road) does wonders for the mental stability. Not to mention I won't have to go very far for training events....

P-3Bubba

Um? That as a new hire you'll never be a Captain? Not true. Fact.

Bluedriver

Ok, dazzle us with your "facts".

P-3Bubba

No dazzle to be found. There's going to be movement. Enough to upgrade in a career. Alice is just banging the negative stick. If I didn't mix it up with Alice once in awhile, I'd feel like I wasn't being a productive APC member.

CaptCoolHand

While I want to agree with you, the Fact is that if you get hired say in the fall and are between 40-50yrs old you may never upgrade here. The current order book will come to an end and they tend to lose older air frames. We were supposed to get 200 E190's and we're down to 60~~ish. If the order book doesn't renew itself for beyond 2020-2023 there's a good chance many won't upgrade. Even if you could upgrade in that position... I'm not sure one would want to. This place is chalked with 30-40 something CA's and FO's. Jb will not have the same progression as other airlines.

This seniority calculator is a stiff black cup of reality for many. It's not bad it just is. While LA is the consumate downer of reality, all the hopefulls should be aware of the REALITY that is JetBlue. I don't necessarilly agree with the aproach, but Lake speaks the truth. After reading it and comprehending all the good bad and ugly, you still want to work at JetBlue. Man that's great. You will be fine.

Like many have said before, JetBlue is a great place to work it just needs alot of improvments. How long one has to wait for improvments is a personal issue.

eaglefly

Interesting discussion. It seems the underlying feeling is that Jet Blue isn't a "career airline" and the only way for advancement is to either wait for others more senior to apply to the lagacies (DAL, UAL, AAL) and hope to capitalize on that or bail yourself to one of those 3 as they will be hiring eventually and are considered career carriers (if there is such a thing nowadays). Based on that, I'm trying to understand what argument Jet Blue pilots will make for DOH or anyhting similar should one of the "career" legacies merge/acquire the apparently "stepping-stone" Jet Blue. One one hand, many JB pilots now are apparently confirming how they see Jet Blue, it's career expectations and thus what it would "bring to the table" with a lagacy as nothing more then a mediocre employer with marginally competitive compensation and a high probability for stagnation.

On the other hand, should one of the legacies aquire Jet Blue, based on these comments here, how would JB Pilots argue for free access to wide-body flying or equal consideration for legacy expansion narrowbody aircraft, especially upgrades ?

It would seem to me that arguing for DOH would be out of the question and long fences would result at a minimum. Not trying to start trouble, but considering the comments now on JB and its career worth for a pilot by many of its own pilots, I think it's a valid topic for discussion, espcially considering JB might be attractive to any of the 3 legacies. It's possible many pilots would bail to the very legacy that subsequently acquired them ending up more junior had they stayed and MAYBE had gotten a better deal. At any rate, I have difficulty seeing Jet Blue pilots representing themselves to any of the 3 legacy pilot groups as equal to any large legacy with hundreds of widebodies, perhaps hundreds of aircraft on order and large numbers of retirements in the relatively near future.

Flyby1206

Well we currently have no way to represent ourselves in a transactional event. Whoever buys us will negotiate with our CEO.

Even if AA bought us and we were given DOH, that would be a straight staple for our whole list (12 yr old company).

Any other legacy, I could see big fences, B6 FOs being stapled, B6 CAs getting a meager integration.

eaglefly

My considerations were actually favoring Delta most of all. Clear Right seems to be convinced you guys are loaded for bear in any merger regarding integration. Nonetheless, you'll have some who will sue, should they not get their desires. Every merger in the last 6-7 years all had major differences, so in reality, it's hard to say what would really happen. The question is of expectations as with any merger, it's best if as few pilots are as angry as possible.

windrider

And there's also the chance this place could go Tango Uniform next year and we are all out of a job. Come on guys we all know the way this business changes. That calculator means nothing but a snapshot of today based on current inventory, bodies, etc. Other than that it means NOTHING! If we merge, it means nothing. If we grow then it changes, if we go bankrupt it doesn't matter. True there probably won't be anymore 5-6 year upgrades. However, that's not going to happen at any other place either. Best thing we can do is rally together and protect what we have and work on enhancing what we have so this will be a good career for those that choose to remain here. I'm not jumping ship again for greener pastures because we all know, it's not greener.