"Latest and Greatest" about jetBlue
05-06-2012, 08:09 PM
#2611
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Multi-million yes, but let's place it in perspective. We are allotted 2 Mil to protect what is written in our PEA. That is afforded us by the company. Let's say that the company is bought out for 1.5 Bil. in hypothetical funds. Just pure speculations....is 2 Mill really, REALLY gonna be anything big? It could just as easily be considered a 2 Mill. dollar buy out as much as it could be considered a 2 Mill. dollar incentive. So in the end, if the company did nothing, the final buyout would be 1.498 Bill. to make it all just go away. I'm NOT saying this would happen, but it could happen. When you are talking billions of dollars in a sale, 2 million is pocket/throw away change in regards to the headache.
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05-07-2012, 03:31 AM
#2612
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 712
JetBlue has a bright future, and much like every other airline, faces several challenges in one of the toughest cut throat industries that exist. Looking back in just over ten years, it has a rich history filled with growth and strong branding.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
In my opinion the darkest cloud on the horizon is a small cult of pilots like Lake Alice who constantly take managements eye off the ball. When management should be focusing on new routes, strategies, they are having to change the diapers on these habitual whiners who have something else in their life that brings down their spirits. Whether its a furlough from their dream job, a divorce, financial mistakes, or whatever it might be, their way of venting frustrations is focusing on the least desirable aspects of this job through the formation of a union. It's always a consistent theme among these losers. These union goons are the ones constantly trying to rile up others to get support for a lost cause. They never will talk about the wonderful aspects such as selling back your sick time at 150% pay, or being paid 150% pay for monthly credit above 78 hours, the valuable trip and duty rigs, etc, etc, etc. Instead this small union goon cult focuses on the negatives and sadly takes managements eye off the ball as they should be focused on growing the airline without any distractions. The majority of us wish to let management continue to do what they have done for the past decade, without ALPA F'ing it up.
This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
05-07-2012, 03:38 AM
#2613
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 194
Blue,
Not sure how long you have been with us, but the PVC has retained legal council in the past to interpret the language in our PEA with regards to these protections. It would be nice to see another round of legal analysis by outside council retained by the PVC to interpret Section 15 and compare it to CBA language. We have done this in the past.
Not sure how long you have been with us, but the PVC has retained legal council in the past to interpret the language in our PEA with regards to these protections. It would be nice to see another round of legal analysis by outside council retained by the PVC to interpret Section 15 and compare it to CBA language. We have done this in the past.
4 legal firms did analyze our PEA's last year during the 5 documents vote. The opinions given were very interesting. What was told to you by Scott, israel, yoder and grasley was NOT what the lawyers told the PVC. The PVC co-chairs sent out an OPINION email which did not fully express the opinions of the lawyers. In an effort to deter the pilot group from voting in favor of the union Scott and Israel interpreted the conclusions of the lawyers. In short the lawyers opinions clearly stated that in a CBA world they could not guarantee the protections of our PEA's and that much of the protections would be based on whether JetBlue wanted to abide by the document.
Also, the 2 million dollars the pilots will use to fight an T/E-SLI battle is to be used AFTER each pilot has used his/her own money. So while someone is trying to buy JetBlue we now have to find a way, collectively, to get JetBlue to give us 2 million dollars. Yup, that's going to happen.
05-07-2012, 03:42 AM
#2614
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Posts: 194
But the truth is out there. Email the PVC. Ask questions.
Our juicers would rather burry their heads in the sand at any suggestion that our proud JetBlue is not what they want to believe.
05-08-2012, 05:47 AM
#2615
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This small "glass half empty" crowd may in fact be jetBlues biggest challenge going forward. So Lake Alice, if you can't get happy at an airline that received over 10,000 pilot apps last year, THEN QUIT!
For the rest of you trying to get in, best of luck, you'll love our automated trip trading, Caribbean layovers, PTO system, and much more. Come on in, waters nice.
There will always be folks that wanna fly airplanes for any ammount... Some of us demand more for our professional experience.
What is this automated trip trading you speak of? Did I miss something in the last 4yrs?
PTO? I like the PTO, as long as you don't like vacation. But if you like vacation don't get sick... Yea...
And who doesn't like the caribean?
And much much more! You'll love our health care its the tops.
05-08-2012, 06:17 AM
#2616
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Bermuda Triangle
Posts: 66
Truth? Nobody wants to hear your version of the truth. Nor, your conspiracy theories of how, behind the scenes, managers are secretly plotting to destroy jetBlue and make out with millions. Yea sure .... and exactly who is John Galt?
The truth is nobody can stand listening to a pessimistic naysayer like yourself who spins every single aspect into the most negative way possible. Even if our total compensation package was industry leading and everyone received 20 days off each month, your gloomy outlook would surely find some aspect to start bi+ching about.
There's no good to come out of any of your posts, simply just arrogance, sorrow and fear mongering. You're a rabble rouser whether you'd like to admit it or not, you are. Keep it up, make every pilot below you on the seniority list proud when you medical out from a heart attack....or a mental breakdown.
05-08-2012, 07:59 AM
#2617
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,691
We all have biased views of what we want to believe is true, and yours is no different than Lake's. Reality is somewhere in the middle.
The bigger question I have for those who are Pro-PEA is what happens when the CEO (not necessarily Barger) has to decide between doing something that is right for the employee group, or beneficial to the shareholders?
05-08-2012, 08:22 AM
#2618
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 194
Dang right it's a proud airline, got alot to be proud of!
Truth? Nobody wants to hear your version of the truth. Nor, your conspiracy theories of how, behind the scenes, managers are secretly plotting to destroy jetBlue and make out with millions. Yea sure .... and exactly who is John Galt?
The truth is nobody can stand listening to a pessimistic naysayer like yourself who spins every single aspect into the most negative way possible. Even if our total compensation package was industry leading and everyone received 20 days off each month, your gloomy outlook would surely find some aspect to start bi+ching about.
There's no good to come out of any of your posts, simply just arrogance, sorrow and fear mongering. You're a rabble rouser whether you'd like to admit it or not, you are. Keep it up, make every pilot below you on the seniority list proud when you medical out from a heart attack....or a mental breakdown.
Truth? Nobody wants to hear your version of the truth. Nor, your conspiracy theories of how, behind the scenes, managers are secretly plotting to destroy jetBlue and make out with millions. Yea sure .... and exactly who is John Galt?
The truth is nobody can stand listening to a pessimistic naysayer like yourself who spins every single aspect into the most negative way possible. Even if our total compensation package was industry leading and everyone received 20 days off each month, your gloomy outlook would surely find some aspect to start bi+ching about.
There's no good to come out of any of your posts, simply just arrogance, sorrow and fear mongering. You're a rabble rouser whether you'd like to admit it or not, you are. Keep it up, make every pilot below you on the seniority list proud when you medical out from a heart attack....or a mental breakdown.
The previous PVC adjusting the written opinions of the 4 legal firms contracted to provide opinions on our PEA's and 5 documents are FACTS. Again, indisputable.
There is no pessimism or naysaying. Only FACTS.
Bluejuicers don't like facts because FACTS don't merge with their views of Jetblue.(My opinion)
Facts equal truth which is something you don't like to hear.
05-08-2012, 12:40 PM
#2619
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Dang right it's a proud airline, got alot to be proud of!
Truth? Nobody wants to hear your version of the truth. Nor, your conspiracy theories of how, behind the scenes, managers are secretly plotting to destroy jetBlue and make out with millions. Yea sure .... and exactly who is John Galt?
The truth is nobody can stand listening to a pessimistic naysayer like yourself who spins every single aspect into the most negative way possible. Even if our total compensation package was industry leading and everyone received 20 days off each month, your gloomy outlook would surely find some aspect to start bi+ching about.
There's no good to come out of any of your posts, simply just arrogance, sorrow and fear mongering. You're a rabble rouser whether you'd like to admit it or not, you are. Keep it up, make every pilot below you on the seniority list proud when you medical out from a heart attack....or a mental breakdown.
Truth? Nobody wants to hear your version of the truth. Nor, your conspiracy theories of how, behind the scenes, managers are secretly plotting to destroy jetBlue and make out with millions. Yea sure .... and exactly who is John Galt?
The truth is nobody can stand listening to a pessimistic naysayer like yourself who spins every single aspect into the most negative way possible. Even if our total compensation package was industry leading and everyone received 20 days off each month, your gloomy outlook would surely find some aspect to start bi+ching about.
There's no good to come out of any of your posts, simply just arrogance, sorrow and fear mongering. You're a rabble rouser whether you'd like to admit it or not, you are. Keep it up, make every pilot below you on the seniority list proud when you medical out from a heart attack....or a mental breakdown.
If you were truely proud you'd take a stand and stop feeding from the welfare trough. Stop taking the scraps and demand you be compensated for your time and work. Jetblue is a 4+billion dollar a year comany that is profitable. They can afford to pay you what you are worth.
But on the other side of the coin... if culture is worth that much to ya. This conversation is moot. Culture doesn't pay the bills is all I'm sayin.
05-08-2012, 03:17 PM
#2620
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 712
Dang right it's a proud airline, got alot to be proud of!
Truth? Nobody wants to hear your version of the truth. Nor, your conspiracy theories of how, behind the scenes, managers are secretly plotting to destroy jetBlue and make out with millions. Yea sure .... and exactly who is John Galt?
The truth is nobody can stand listening to a pessimistic naysayer like yourself who spins every single aspect into the most negative way possible. Even if our total compensation package was industry leading and everyone received 20 days off each month, your gloomy outlook would surely find some aspect to start bi+ching about.
There's no good to come out of any of your posts, simply just arrogance, sorrow and fear mongering. You're a rabble rouser whether you'd like to admit it or not, you are. Keep it up, make every pilot below you on the seniority list proud when you medical out from a heart attack....or a mental breakdown.
Truth? Nobody wants to hear your version of the truth. Nor, your conspiracy theories of how, behind the scenes, managers are secretly plotting to destroy jetBlue and make out with millions. Yea sure .... and exactly who is John Galt?
The truth is nobody can stand listening to a pessimistic naysayer like yourself who spins every single aspect into the most negative way possible. Even if our total compensation package was industry leading and everyone received 20 days off each month, your gloomy outlook would surely find some aspect to start bi+ching about.
There's no good to come out of any of your posts, simply just arrogance, sorrow and fear mongering. You're a rabble rouser whether you'd like to admit it or not, you are. Keep it up, make every pilot below you on the seniority list proud when you medical out from a heart attack....or a mental breakdown.
Wow, that has to be one of the most immature and unprofessional things I have read. Disagreement doesn't mean you are right or wrong but when you start with things like that you simply lose any and all credibility. You become credible through self respect and respect of others. You become credible through factual arguments. You LOSE all credibility when you wish harm against another pilot or human being for that matter.
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