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03-11-2012, 04:46 PM
#2381
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: UAL Guppy CA
Posts: 233
This is a direct quote from the APA Flightline Magazine; enough said.
The ramifications of the legislation (McCaskill-Bond) for APA are significant....Simply put, in the event of a future merger or acquisition, we will HAVE to arbitrate the seniority integration — it is now the “law of the land.”
The ramifications of the legislation (McCaskill-Bond) for APA are significant....Simply put, in the event of a future merger or acquisition, we will HAVE to arbitrate the seniority integration — it is now the “law of the land.”
I hope your right. The way I have interpreted the legislation this scenario would only apply if American Airlines bought us not AMR. So what happens if we are bought by a holding company and ran as a separate company for a period of time? There are a lot of questions that would have to be answered mostly by lawyers which means a lot of money and organisation which we don't have. Only the future knows what it holds for us
03-11-2012, 04:57 PM
#2383
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Bluebus
Posts: 99
[QUOTE=Liv2soar;1149875]At first the AirTran pilots did NOT have a vote. Their MEC choose their path for them and rejected the golden offer that SWA management gave them.
THEIR MEC is NOT ALPA. Their MEC was elected by the pilots of Airtran. Their MEC was NOT elected by ALPA.
ALPA is only as good as the leadership YOU, the pilots, elect at YOUR company.
THEIR MEC is NOT ALPA. Their MEC was elected by the pilots of Airtran. Their MEC was NOT elected by ALPA.
ALPA is only as good as the leadership YOU, the pilots, elect at YOUR company.
03-11-2012, 05:08 PM
#2384
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,480
Amen, Whiskey. It amazes me how the ALPA haters ALWAYS manage to overlook this simple concept.
03-11-2012, 06:34 PM
#2385
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Bermuda Triangle
Posts: 66
The direct relationship has outgrown its usefulness. Yet neither is ALPA, a wise choice. The vast majority of pilots realised that voting out a scumbag Union plagued with thugs is harder than voting in a healthy in house Union. Sadly, the pilot group couldn't get creative enough to produce the JBPA in house union when the time was at hand.
The JetBlue pilots need to navigate around the road blocks to follow suit of our brothers and sisters at SouthWest Airlines. However, the glass half empty crowd that has been whining and screaming for years "were doomed.....Americans buying us.....we need ALPA....I only made $195,000 as a 320 Captain.....I only put 15% into my 401K....I only got 15 days off...."are the same ones that f'ed up the foundation for an in house that would have reaped many many benefits for all of us. Many of you ALPA cronies have never been in a union, ever. Forget ALPA, let them die without us.
Delta pilots are growing in numbers to drop them to form an in house. USAirways dropped them. Now AirTran, by default, is dropping them...what will be left, FedEx and United???? And you WANT their problems????? Crazy!
Get creative, think outside the box.
The JetBlue pilots need to navigate around the road blocks to follow suit of our brothers and sisters at SouthWest Airlines. However, the glass half empty crowd that has been whining and screaming for years "were doomed.....Americans buying us.....we need ALPA....I only made $195,000 as a 320 Captain.....I only put 15% into my 401K....I only got 15 days off...."are the same ones that f'ed up the foundation for an in house that would have reaped many many benefits for all of us. Many of you ALPA cronies have never been in a union, ever. Forget ALPA, let them die without us.
Delta pilots are growing in numbers to drop them to form an in house. USAirways dropped them. Now AirTran, by default, is dropping them...what will be left, FedEx and United???? And you WANT their problems????? Crazy!
Get creative, think outside the box.
03-12-2012, 10:05 AM
#2386
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320 F.O.
Posts: 1,386
The direct relationship has outgrown its usefulness. Yet neither is ALPA, a wise choice. The vast majority of pilots realised that voting out a scumbag Union plagued with thugs is harder than voting in a healthy in house Union. Sadly, the pilot group couldn't get creative enough to produce the JBPA in house union when the time was at hand.
The JetBlue pilots need to navigate around the road blocks to follow suit of our brothers and sisters at SouthWest Airlines. However, the glass half empty crowd that has been whining and screaming for years "were doomed.....Americans buying us.....we need ALPA....I only made $195,000 as a 320 Captain.....I only put 15% into my 401K....I only got 15 days off...."are the same ones that f'ed up the foundation for an in house that would have reaped many many benefits for all of us. Many of you ALPA cronies have never been in a union, ever. Forget ALPA, let them die without us.
Delta pilots are growing in numbers to drop them to form an in house. USAirways dropped them. Now AirTran, by default, is dropping them...what will be left, FedEx and United???? And you WANT their problems????? Crazy!
Get creative, think outside the box.
The JetBlue pilots need to navigate around the road blocks to follow suit of our brothers and sisters at SouthWest Airlines. However, the glass half empty crowd that has been whining and screaming for years "were doomed.....Americans buying us.....we need ALPA....I only made $195,000 as a 320 Captain.....I only put 15% into my 401K....I only got 15 days off...."are the same ones that f'ed up the foundation for an in house that would have reaped many many benefits for all of us. Many of you ALPA cronies have never been in a union, ever. Forget ALPA, let them die without us.
Delta pilots are growing in numbers to drop them to form an in house. USAirways dropped them. Now AirTran, by default, is dropping them...what will be left, FedEx and United???? And you WANT their problems????? Crazy!
Get creative, think outside the box.
03-12-2012, 10:06 AM
#2387
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 194
You haven't hardly made a factual or sensible argument yet except that united and FedEx remain ALPA. Carelessly stamping contracts for regionals? When are pilots going to open their eyes to the reality of a regional. It's a small lift provider, a third party contractor if you will. You don't have the ability to demand or set terms as a regional carrier owner. As pilots you have even less ability. ALPA guarantees a regional pilot a salary, retirement, benefits, protections and the ability to come to work each day and build for a better future. All of you that are upset at the way ALPA treated you should be upset at yourselves for not understanding your carrier progression. YOUR regional was never a career. When you decided to think of it as such that was a YOU problem.
AirTran NEGOTIATED its integration with SWAPA. SWA as the acquiring airline held all the cards. If SWA wanted to maintain separate operating certificate it could have done so regardless of the union. ALPA helped integrate them. You say unfairly I say fair. Bottom is the list at SWA still has better all around pay and benefits than jetblue. What do you expect will happen to all the little bluebells with your direct relationship when SWA or any other airline comes calling?
Lastly let's address Delta. If we had 12000 pilot we wouldn't need ALPA either. Keep the money in house I say but we can't. ALPA is offering its help and 1193 of you choose the DR. Meanwhile, as has been well reported, the benefits get worse, the retirement continues to lag, disability could nearly bankrupt you and JetBlue is looking to invest in air lingus even though we are constantly being berrated by emails about cost creep and the value of our 14% premium pay.
Spare us all the rhetoric.
AirTran NEGOTIATED its integration with SWAPA. SWA as the acquiring airline held all the cards. If SWA wanted to maintain separate operating certificate it could have done so regardless of the union. ALPA helped integrate them. You say unfairly I say fair. Bottom is the list at SWA still has better all around pay and benefits than jetblue. What do you expect will happen to all the little bluebells with your direct relationship when SWA or any other airline comes calling?
Lastly let's address Delta. If we had 12000 pilot we wouldn't need ALPA either. Keep the money in house I say but we can't. ALPA is offering its help and 1193 of you choose the DR. Meanwhile, as has been well reported, the benefits get worse, the retirement continues to lag, disability could nearly bankrupt you and JetBlue is looking to invest in air lingus even though we are constantly being berrated by emails about cost creep and the value of our 14% premium pay.
Spare us all the rhetoric.
03-12-2012, 11:31 AM
#2388
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Bermuda Triangle
Posts: 66
Carelessly stamping contracts for regionals? When are pilots going to open their eyes to the reality of a regional. It's a small lift provider, a third party contractor if you will. You don't have the ability to demand or set terms as a regional carrier owner. As pilots you have even less ability. ALPA guarantees a regional pilot a salary, retirement, benefits, protections and the ability to come to work each day and build for a better future. All of you that are upset at the way ALPA treated you should be upset at yourselves for not understanding your carrier progression.
ANY Pilot deserves the respect and the right to demand fair compensation whether it's at a regional, major or a low cost carrier. Unfortunately ALPA gets in their way. Sorry, inflating a 30 foot tall Rat at a picket line event, hasn't exactly proven to be an effective method to spend your 2% dues. hOWEVER it does fit the bill for an easy cost cutting measure to line the ALPA executives pockets with GOLD.
Whether your flying a 747-400 to Narita, or a Q-400 to Buffalo, ALPA aught to accept nothing less than a minimum quality of a contract in order to place their stamp of approval on it, period, no two sides to that coin.
ALPA guarantees a salary??? What a F'ing joke!!!! Does ALPA pay you? Or does the airline pay you? Since when is $21,000 a year as a first officer at a regional considered a ... SALARY??? Excuse me, I don't think so. That's poverty wages last I checked, of which ALPA national guided the Colgan MEC into accepting. Most first officers at regional airlines qualify for food stamps. While, CEO's and shareholders are reaping in millions upon millions in profits. We are talking about "educated professionals" who can't even afford a car payment here.
I'm sorry the majority disagreed with you that your way (ALPA) was necessary, it was a bad idea....time to get over it, or get the F out.
I'm done reading this thread, it's a waste of my time.
03-12-2012, 11:34 AM
#2389
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,691
When are pilots going to open their eyes to the reality of a regional. It's a small lift provider, a third party contractor if you will. You don't have the ability to demand or set terms as a regional carrier owner. As pilots you have even less ability. ALPA guarantees a regional pilot a salary, retirement, benefits, protections and the ability to come to work each day and build for a better future. All of you that are upset at the way ALPA treated you should be upset at yourselves for not understanding your carrier progression. YOUR regional was never a career. When you decided to think of it as such that was a YOU problem.
Places like Air Wisconsin and Comair were great careers, until they werent.
03-12-2012, 12:14 PM
#2390
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
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