"Latest and Greatest" about jetBlue
02-20-2012, 05:10 AM
#2281
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 194
One could argue that JetBlue pilots are in a better position without ALPA. First of all the RLA and McCaskill-Bond apply to B6 pilots, this has been confirmed by individually contracted labor attorneys. Next, there is protection language in the PEA in the event of a corporate transaction that offers a level of protection for pilots. Now, some will argue that these protections may not be worth the paper they are written on. However, independent council has confirmed that the language is stronger than most CBAs with regard to pilot protections. Again, lawyer interpretation, and some would argue that this may not be the case.
To each his own on who you trust. In my humble opinion, one could argue, that the AirTran pilots would have been better off without ALPA. In other words, SWA/AirTran would have gone directly to arbitration from the get go, again my opinion, not verified by legal council.
Unfortunately for AirTran, McCaskill Bond says union merger language takes precedence. i.e. ALPA merger policy required them to vote, rather than go directly to arbitration. Even the Delta pilots on this forum argue they would have done better in arbitration, and clearly SWA/SWAPA went to all costs (threats) to prevent them from going to arbitration, because they knew the outcome would have most likely favored the AirTran pilots.
And, yes...the question remains, who will represent the B6 pilots through the arbitration process, employee committees or the company? With what amount of money and do you trust the committee or company to represent the pilots...all valid questions.
Caveat all with just one pilots opinion. This could all be speculation and be wrong, but isn't that the case for most of this forum
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To each his own on who you trust. In my humble opinion, one could argue, that the AirTran pilots would have been better off without ALPA. In other words, SWA/AirTran would have gone directly to arbitration from the get go, again my opinion, not verified by legal council.
Unfortunately for AirTran, McCaskill Bond says union merger language takes precedence. i.e. ALPA merger policy required them to vote, rather than go directly to arbitration. Even the Delta pilots on this forum argue they would have done better in arbitration, and clearly SWA/SWAPA went to all costs (threats) to prevent them from going to arbitration, because they knew the outcome would have most likely favored the AirTran pilots.
And, yes...the question remains, who will represent the B6 pilots through the arbitration process, employee committees or the company? With what amount of money and do you trust the committee or company to represent the pilots...all valid questions.
Caveat all with just one pilots opinion. This could all be speculation and be wrong, but isn't that the case for most of this forum
.Again the naďveté of this pilot group is striking.
02-21-2012, 09:11 AM
#2282
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Bermuda Triangle
Posts: 66
Very long upgrade you say? .... Welcome to the major airlines. There's no quick upgrade anymore.
02-22-2012, 07:06 AM
#2283
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: left seat with my favorite captain
Posts: 34
Any week of Nov 15th people heard anything lately? Good or bad?
02-22-2012, 11:38 AM
#2284
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 503
On pace to stay separate:
close of market 2-16: $5.92
as of writing, 2-22 : $5.15
oops.
I sure hope I get preferential hiring at the Resort de la Lake Alice
02-22-2012, 12:03 PM
#2285
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Nevermind, I got it. I don't think DAL is all that interested in JB other than maaaaaaybe something that would get part of T5.
02-22-2012, 12:10 PM
#2286
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
One could argue that JetBlue pilots are in a better position without ALPA. First of all the RLA and McCaskill-Bond apply to B6 pilots, this has been confirmed by individually contracted labor attorneys. Next, there is protection language in the PEA in the event of a corporate transaction that offers a level of protection for pilots. Now, some will argue that these protections may not be worth the paper they are written on. However, independent council has confirmed that the language is stronger than most CBAs with regard to pilot protections. Again, lawyer interpretation, and some would argue that this may not be the case.
To each his own on who you trust. In my humble opinion, one could argue, that the AirTran pilots would have been better off without ALPA. In other words, SWA/AirTran would have gone directly to arbitration from the get go, again my opinion, not verified by legal council.
Unfortunately for AirTran, McCaskill Bond says union merger language takes precedence. i.e. ALPA merger policy required them to vote, rather than go directly to arbitration. Even the Delta pilots on this forum argue they would have done better in arbitration, and clearly SWA/SWAPA went to all costs (threats) to prevent them from going to arbitration, because they knew the outcome would have most likely favored the AirTran pilots.
And, yes...the question remains, who will represent the B6 pilots through the arbitration process, employee committees or the company? With what amount of money and do you trust the committee or company to represent the pilots...all valid questions.
Caveat all with just one pilots opinion. This could all be speculation and be wrong, but isn't that the case for most of this forum.
To each his own on who you trust. In my humble opinion, one could argue, that the AirTran pilots would have been better off without ALPA. In other words, SWA/AirTran would have gone directly to arbitration from the get go, again my opinion, not verified by legal council.
Unfortunately for AirTran, McCaskill Bond says union merger language takes precedence. i.e. ALPA merger policy required them to vote, rather than go directly to arbitration. Even the Delta pilots on this forum argue they would have done better in arbitration, and clearly SWA/SWAPA went to all costs (threats) to prevent them from going to arbitration, because they knew the outcome would have most likely favored the AirTran pilots.
And, yes...the question remains, who will represent the B6 pilots through the arbitration process, employee committees or the company? With what amount of money and do you trust the committee or company to represent the pilots...all valid questions.
Caveat all with just one pilots opinion. This could all be speculation and be wrong, but isn't that the case for most of this forum
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02-22-2012, 02:32 PM
#2287
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Poolie
Posts: 40
Fellas, I'm in the pool! Albeit the deep end. Floatees on, feet kicking. Call me - ready to work.
My guess is I'll be lucky to get a training date this year?
My guess is I'll be lucky to get a training date this year?
02-22-2012, 04:42 PM
#2288
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 73 gear slinger
Posts: 312
Congrats Warthawg!!
02-22-2012, 05:22 PM
#2289
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Might have nothing to do with this, but the AA gates at ORD are supposedly being painted with lead-in lines for the A320 and E190. One pilot claimed to have confirmed this at at least one gate. AA is supposed to be ordering A319's and A321's.
Don't know why there would be lead-in lines painted in these two fleet types at AA gates as AA supposedly won't be operating either.
TFWIW.
Don't know why there would be lead-in lines painted in these two fleet types at AA gates as AA supposedly won't be operating either.
TFWIW.
02-23-2012, 04:17 PM
#2290
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Posts: 3,150
Might have nothing to do with this, but the AA gates at ORD are supposedly being painted with lead-in lines for the A320 and E190. One pilot claimed to have confirmed this at at least one gate. AA is supposed to be ordering A319's and A321's.
Don't know why there would be lead-in lines painted in these two fleet types at AA gates as AA supposedly won't be operating either.
TFWIW.
Don't know why there would be lead-in lines painted in these two fleet types at AA gates as AA supposedly won't be operating either.
TFWIW.
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