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02-16-2012, 05:24 AM
#2251
The REAL Bluedriver
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Unfortunately at ole' bluejet there is no way to predict upgrade. For every delivery taken we return several lease backs. There is no accurate way to predict retirements since we aren't given access to an up to date seniority list. Upgrades will primarily be based on expansion. Not a knock just reality.
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02-16-2012, 05:39 AM
#2252
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Perhaps some are looking at different opportunities to make more $$$ abroad.
02-16-2012, 05:43 AM
#2253
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Thats the large part of the equation that puts upgrades in the 10+ year range.
I came up with the number by adding the 110 retirements to the need to staff the additional ~82 planes which includes the 52 A320/neo/321 and the remainder of the 190s to get the number to 75ish.
At 5 crews per plane that would be 410 plus the 110 is 520 Captains in the next ten years or so. Add in a few who quit outright or leave for a different carrier/job or take a recall and that comes out to ten-ISH years. Of course orders do not mean a whole lot and you cant predict upgrade beyond yesterday...these are just rough numbers off the scratch pad.
Id be thinking about it if I were 50 numbers away..I am much more than that so it is very far off my radar.
Just some numbers for thought for those who may put upgrade as one of their deciding factors in coming here.
I came up with the number by adding the 110 retirements to the need to staff the additional ~82 planes which includes the 52 A320/neo/321 and the remainder of the 190s to get the number to 75ish.
At 5 crews per plane that would be 410 plus the 110 is 520 Captains in the next ten years or so. Add in a few who quit outright or leave for a different carrier/job or take a recall and that comes out to ten-ISH years. Of course orders do not mean a whole lot and you cant predict upgrade beyond yesterday...these are just rough numbers off the scratch pad.
Id be thinking about it if I were 50 numbers away..I am much more than that so it is very far off my radar.
Just some numbers for thought for those who may put upgrade as one of their deciding factors in coming here.
Subject to possible lease returns and sales of course.
Also, we have more than 5 crews per airplane. And don't forget that we have a very large number of upgrade bypasses. Junior captain is around 1700 out of 2300 pilots.
02-16-2012, 06:47 AM
#2254
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I expect Jet Blue to be eventual merger partner within the next couple of years. Could be one of several suitors. Should that occur, the upgrade assumptions could bs completely different. In 25 years in this business, I've learned it's pretty much a waste of time estimating advancement schedules and an upgrade isn't counted on until your pay check demonstrates the raise.
02-16-2012, 07:36 AM
#2255
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This, in addition to the seniority list issue, is why our career advancement is extremely difficult to predict.
02-16-2012, 07:41 AM
#2256
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Although it is not possible to forecast upgrade, if you are going to try, you should use the correct numbers. We have 92 Airbus orders (30-321s, 22-320s and 40-320neos on order) AND roughly 25 more E90s.
Subject to possible lease returns and sales of course.
Also, we have more than 5 crews per airplane. And don't forget that we have a very large number of upgrade bypasses. Junior captain is around 1700 out of 2300 pilots.
Subject to possible lease returns and sales of course.
Also, we have more than 5 crews per airplane. And don't forget that we have a very large number of upgrade bypasses. Junior captain is around 1700 out of 2300 pilots.
02-16-2012, 07:49 AM
#2257
The REAL Bluedriver
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Position: Airbus Capt
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Unfortunately at ole' bluejet there is no way to predict upgrade. For every delivery taken we return several lease backs. There is no accurate way to predict retirements since we aren't given access to an up to date seniority list. Upgrades will primarily be based on expansion. Not a knock just reality.
That means we are a shrinking airline. Clearly, you made a mistake or you are wrong. Either way, it was not a smart thing to say. Clearly we are not a shrinking airline. Period. Period.
Cheers
02-16-2012, 08:04 AM
#2258
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Forgive me for not using the proper conjugation in my post. Most readers have enough common sense to understand the overall post particularly given the last sentence. Apparently some do not. Period. Period
02-16-2012, 09:50 AM
#2259
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02-16-2012, 10:44 AM
#2260
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Well aware of that. Given blue driver put one I wanted to give him another typo to quote me on.
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