johnso29

First of all, no damages have been awarded. Any numbers floating out there are pure speculation. Second, ALPA has more then enough insurance to cover any award. Third, no assessment has ever occured to cover damages awarded to a plaintiff vs ALPA.

Stickshaker

I don't work for JB (though I am updating my app at every opportunity). Lake Alice, you're coming off as an a$$. I think others on this thread are trying to help you and you're spitting in their faces. Dial it back and your message may get through. Keep flinging flaming arrows and you'll continue to drive others away.

lake alice

Be careful. This crowd doesn't like the truth.

lake alice

I'm going to put this as nicely as I can so that those of you with a sensitive side aren't overly offended. Recently a captain passed that was fll based. Do you know how much hospice cost his family because JetBlue medical wouldn't cover it? Keep in mindnth entire time he was also paying for his own COBRA insurance.
You can take all of your values and anger at the messenger and shove it up your arse. The BPF had to send money to this family because our insurance, culture and values failed to provide. None of you want to hear the truth. Each of you that is tired of hearing the facts and the truth might as well get off the board. You make me sick as you stand by preaching the benefits of a company that would allow this.
In the end this is a business. You must protect your own. That doesn't mean chocking the proverbial golden goose. That means standing up for your own employee group. Don't bother responding, there is no justification.

Sig178

No one jumped at him because he made a statement without emotion and didn't come across as a$$. He just stated a fact without bashing anyone on here because thats what a normal person would do.

Sig178

The anger you show is worrisome knowing you are responsible for peoples lives. I think you should get off these boards because it seems like you're going to have a stroke or a heart attack if you keep working yourself up. It is BS that we have to pay for our own Cobra and thank God for the BPF, I want the SAME things, but you are coming across as an angry psychopath

Kellwolf

That was "as nicely" as you possibly could? Wow. If you had stopped at the BPF info, you were good. You had to take it one step more and insult your audience. If you can't see that's a bad thing, then the OC needs to use you in a back of the house manner. With your phraseology and attitude, you'll do more to help management keep a union off property than you'd be doing to get a union on property. I appreciate your passion, but you've got to fix the rhetoric. If you go to a bank asking for money, do you insult the loan officer and then still expect to get the loan?

sidestep

OK, so the insurance will cover the lawsuit.

BUT what about the way ALPA left the TWA pilots out to dry (the crux of the issue anyway). What kind of way to do business is that? That instills about as much trust in me for ALPA as LakeAlice has for DB and the Board..

lake alice

Again, facts only. 8:1 or a 52% staple. That is what was negotiated for a company in Ch.11 trending to CH.7. A fair question is what would each of you expect from the acquiring carrier if your carrier was in the same position?

Bluedriver

American's bankruptcy is a game changing event for JetBlue pilots. All of the anti-union, anti-ALPA pilots better start thinking long and hard about what the risks now are.

Before bankruptcy, American couldn't afford to pay attention, much less able to buy a company like JetBlue, but that is changing. Airlines use bk laws to gut employee costs, cut debt, and get out of contracts. They often emerge very lean and mean, and able to raise considerable money. I am not fear-mongering here. It may take a year or two, but they will likely be in a position to acquire us, and we are kicking their a$$$ so bad in their own markets, that they have every reason to try.

You can ***** about 2%. You can ***** about what they did years ago to other pilots. Fine, whatever makes you feel better. But, you will find that 2% was a small price to pay after the fact if we get integrated very badly, or stapled/furloughed.

We already need better retirement, healthcare, and other benefits. And in my opinion, we need to think VERY seriously about the resources AMR will have in 12-24 months. Remember, it takes time to institute a union, time we may have very little of.

You can ***** about ALPA, but how do you KNOW that we will have the resources we need when the time comes? How do you know that it won't cost MORE than 2% to provide the services we need? I am very skeptical that a start-up in-house union at an airline of our size, with so many pilots here that won't be willing to give up the money that it would take to properly fund it, to be successful. The stakes are too high to experiment, and the potential (supposed) upside to an in-house is just not worth the risk.

I have considerable experience with ALPA, and I know that it is what you make of it with your local leadership. WE decide what our priorities are. WE decide that we want to keep efficiency and competitive costs. WE decide what our scope will be.

National is a resource. It is NOT a mandate about any of our JB pilot priorities.

Just my opinion.