Sliceback

Anyone have the current SW retirement data?


DL's -

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...nts-delta.html

2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19

UA/CO -

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...-schedule.html

This is about right:

Combined UAL/CAL Retirements

2012 270
2013 418
2014 429
2015 387
2016 372
2017 438
2018 426
2019 433
2020 445
2021 518
2022 485
2023 570
2024 510
2025 617
2026 674
2027 670
2028 778
2029 693
2030 731
2031 526

AA -

2012 5
2013 124
2014 173
2015 229
2016 243
2017 279
2018 346
2019 449
2020 544
2021 600
2022 661
2023 706
2024 716
2025 730
2026 706
2027 588
2028 497
2029 470
2030 410

after 2030 the 'year' switches from Jan-Feb to the seniority list year of 'Jul-Jun', so some of the 2031 retirees will already be included in the preceeding 2030 data. So the following years will actually be the data from the preceeding July to June of the year listed. IE, 2031 is actually all retirements from July 1 2030 until June 30 2031.

2031 420 (approx. 50% already including in the preceeding 2030 data)
2032 450
2033 398
2034 326
2035 203
2036 158
2037 116
2038 64
2039 40
2040 34
2041 10
2042 5
2043 1

kc135driver

Out of curiosity, doesn't 65 go in effect in the Fall of 2012? I'm surprised to see 270 at new UAL for such little time remaining in 2012.

Riddler

I just got this from Jeff Smisek, Chairman of United Continental HOLDINGS.

Planned number of outsourced pilots:
2012: 522
2013: 645
2014: 832
2015: 1,217
2016: 1,699
2017: 2,274

You get the point.

Sliceback

KC135 - Agreed. Doesn't make sense.

Obviously the DL data is old. Not sure what it would look like if it was updated to reflect Age 65 (12/13/2007, impacts 12/12/2012).

757golf

Slickback,

How accurate is your data? These are the numbers I have;

Delta / NWA combined

9 - 2011
20
120
203
273 - 2015
326
379
472
560
652 - 2020
831
877
832
821
732 - 2025
632
530
507
506
540 - 2030
396
318

Riddler
Planned number of outsourced pilots:
2012: 522
2013: 645
2014: 832
2015: 1,217
2016: 1,699
2017: 2,274

What do you mean by outsourced? Sorry if I'm slow.

Riddler

Sorry everyone, I was being sarcastic. My "outsourced" numbers represent the number of additional mainline jobs that management intends to outsource to the lowest bidder. Ask the folks at United or USAir - retirement numbers don't always keep pace with the number of jobs being lost to regional carriers.

80ktsClamp

The DL data is good.

Woxof

I found this posted a while back. Some one better check me on this...

wn: Southwest

Presently (14 Jan '10) 265 guys over 60

2010 19 (guys who took the early out "Freedom 09")
'11 0
'12 0
'12 3
'13 129
'14 107
'15 140
'16 160
'17 148
'18 105
'19 133
'20 149
'21 176
'22 266
'23 188
'24 221
'25 240
'26 272
'27 278
'28 250
'29 239
'30 222
'31 216
'32 209
'33 171
'34 186
'35 169

kc135driver

Sometimes sarcasim is painfully closer to the truth. I'm a living walking example. Two furloughs, one as a result of outsourcing 70 seaters in BK in order to save the A plan and the other as a result of permitting those who then just lost their A plan another 5 years to make up for their loss.

As a result, all retirement movement has been made void over the past 10 years due to outsourcing. Way to go.

KC

AirbusA320

It will be interesting to see how they will outsource with the new ATP & 1,500 hour requirement. I'm getting the the feeling from the young future airline pilots that the career is not worth pursuing.