Southwest: This is funny(lost Nav LAX)
10-27-2010, 05:12 PM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Legacy FO
Posts: 4,105
I think it is funny that someone else (not participating in the other thread) went there. But you guys keep saying they're just a couple of isolated incidents and haters.
10-27-2010, 05:34 PM
#12
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
10-27-2010, 09:28 PM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 332
Weather? Never mentioned the weather. Guess the 737 type counted for your 4 year degree?
10-28-2010, 02:37 AM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: KC135 IP
Posts: 398
[
QUOTE=IAHB756;891767]Weather? Never mentioned the weather. Guess the 737 type counted for your 4 year degree?[/QUOTE]
Yes you are right spelling has never been my strong point. My mom was right; I should have also taken typing in high school too. Note I also did not spell thread correctly.
I betcha (see more bending of the English language) there is one SWA captain speeding around the airports of America like a Korean housewife
(I can go there as I am married to one and she would agree to the analogy), cutting you all off and laughing maniacally
B-
QUOTE=IAHB756;891767]Weather? Never mentioned the weather. Guess the 737 type counted for your 4 year degree?[/QUOTE]
Yes you are right spelling has never been my strong point. My mom was right; I should have also taken typing in high school too. Note I also did not spell thread correctly.
I betcha (see more bending of the English language) there is one SWA captain speeding around the airports of America like a Korean housewife
(I can go there as I am married to one and she would agree to the analogy), cutting you all off and laughing maniacally
B-
10-28-2010, 02:42 AM
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: KC135 IP
Posts: 398
Carl you are prolific
Take Care Guys. I was looking to see if AT had posted their TA yet. Guess we will agree to disagree.
Off to the airport
10-28-2010, 04:54 AM
#18
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Self employed
Posts: 3,048
SWA Lost Navigation LAX
What would make the B737 glass panels go blank on the captain's side? What else did they lose? It doesn't sound like they were down to the ISFD. Was this not a glass panel plane?
I'm curious why ATC didn't handle the aircraft normally, if the FO's stuff was working. Did the crew yell, "pan, pan, pan"?
************************************************
A Southwest Airlines jet lost its navigation system as it approached Los Angeles International Airport last week, forcing air traffic controllers to redirect several flights to clear the airspace as they guided the aircraft to a safe landing, a union representative said Tuesday.
The Federal Aviation Administration issued a statement saying only that it was investigating the flight and that controllers handled the situation professionally.
The Boeing 737 carrying 92 passengers and crew members was coming from San Jose when the navigation system failed around noon on Oct. 20, causing the jet to lose its positioning amid the clouds, said Ron Geyer, union representative for air traffic controllers at the facility that handles planes approaching and leaving Southern California airports.
"The weather was bad. The pilot had no visuals until he was below the clouds," Geyer said.
Geyer said controllers scrambled to redirect several flights so they could clear airspace for the Southwest pilot to get through the clouds until he could see the airport. He said controllers almost never encounter such a scenario.
"It was such a rare occasion, yet there was no impact to the system except we had to turn some planes around to make sure nobody was in jeopardy in case the plane got off course," Geyer said.
A Southwest spokeswoman said the captain's instruments failed but the copilot's remained intact, and emphasized that the plane landed safely and nearly on time.
"An aircraft like this is set up with redundant systems," Ashley Dillon said. "There are backups to backups to backups."
She said the outage occurred because a circuit breaker was flipped on the aircraft. She could not say how common the problem is.
Najmedin Meshkati, a professor who studies aviation safety at the University of Southern California, said he has read few reports of such failures on airliners compared with more frequent incidents like runway incursions. But he said that simply could be because instrument problems are not made public.
I'm curious why ATC didn't handle the aircraft normally, if the FO's stuff was working. Did the crew yell, "pan, pan, pan"?
************************************************
A Southwest Airlines jet lost its navigation system as it approached Los Angeles International Airport last week, forcing air traffic controllers to redirect several flights to clear the airspace as they guided the aircraft to a safe landing, a union representative said Tuesday.
The Federal Aviation Administration issued a statement saying only that it was investigating the flight and that controllers handled the situation professionally.
The Boeing 737 carrying 92 passengers and crew members was coming from San Jose when the navigation system failed around noon on Oct. 20, causing the jet to lose its positioning amid the clouds, said Ron Geyer, union representative for air traffic controllers at the facility that handles planes approaching and leaving Southern California airports.
"The weather was bad. The pilot had no visuals until he was below the clouds," Geyer said.
Geyer said controllers scrambled to redirect several flights so they could clear airspace for the Southwest pilot to get through the clouds until he could see the airport. He said controllers almost never encounter such a scenario.
"It was such a rare occasion, yet there was no impact to the system except we had to turn some planes around to make sure nobody was in jeopardy in case the plane got off course," Geyer said.
A Southwest spokeswoman said the captain's instruments failed but the copilot's remained intact, and emphasized that the plane landed safely and nearly on time.
"An aircraft like this is set up with redundant systems," Ashley Dillon said. "There are backups to backups to backups."
She said the outage occurred because a circuit breaker was flipped on the aircraft. She could not say how common the problem is.
Najmedin Meshkati, a professor who studies aviation safety at the University of Southern California, said he has read few reports of such failures on airliners compared with more frequent incidents like runway incursions. But he said that simply could be because instrument problems are not made public.
10-28-2010, 05:16 AM
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: FO
Posts: 179
I have no idea what happened, but it may be more benign than the ATC Union is making it sound. If one of the IRS went down then they would be back to green world NAV, unable to proceed direct a fix (the Unable RNP MSG). If they were on an RNAV arrival (I have no idea what they were flying), they would have to ask for vectors or be sent to a different arrival. This would cause them to move some other aicraft around if they were given headings. It was the statements from the controller's union that seemed odd (IN CASE they got off course, the pilot had no visuals until below the clouds, there was NO impact to the system, etc). Not once did it say the pilots declared an emergency or asked for priority. IMO, sounds like a good story from the controllers about how an aicraft said they lost some of their instruments (required notification) and asked for vectors while the controllers helped save the day. I'm sure the full story will eventually come out, but the story appears very one sided.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
