SWAPA has a TA about the 737-800
10-15-2010, 12:30 PM
#21
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Ask ANY passenger and they will tell you that as far as MARKETING goes pilots are the number one selling point on any of their trips.
Take the emotion out of this. The general air traveling public does not give a ******* about who is flying the airplane, they just want the cheapest ticket. Pilots do not generate any revenue, they are an expense, the job is to safely move the aircraft from location to location without killing anyone. Look at the rest of the economy, I am sorry but if you are making 200k you are not exactlly suffering. I never advocated pay going down or anyone's taxes going up.
10-15-2010, 12:30 PM
#22
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Are you kidding me?!?!?
Ask ANY passenger and they will tell you that as far as MARKETING goes pilots are the number one selling point on any of their trips. Imagine for a second an airline which employes *blank* instead of Airline Pilots in the cockpit. Now fill in the blank with anything from *Wal Mart greeter* to *US Senator* and ask your passengers if they would be flying the same trip.
Think of Larry the cable guy or a used car salesperson or even your pot-smoking roommate in college standing in front of the cockpit door welcoming passengers aboard. Why do you suppose your FOM says that you must wear a clean and pressed uniform and that you always have to be well groomed? Mgt is not stupid, they know that's the cheapest and best MARKETING they can get. And it's not just the uniform but everything that goes with it.
Just a few years ago I saw an opinion poll on a paper (USA Today?) of the most respected professions in the US. We were in the top five along with doctors and firefighters, if memory serves me well.
I can't believe there are still some of us who embrace the testicular hammering philosophy, "we're paid too much! please lower my salary and charge me more taxes!". If you want to make less money there are plenty of jobs out there where you can achieve your dream just stay away from aviation, please.
Ask ANY passenger and they will tell you that as far as MARKETING goes pilots are the number one selling point on any of their trips. Imagine for a second an airline which employes *blank* instead of Airline Pilots in the cockpit. Now fill in the blank with anything from *Wal Mart greeter* to *US Senator* and ask your passengers if they would be flying the same trip.
Think of Larry the cable guy or a used car salesperson or even your pot-smoking roommate in college standing in front of the cockpit door welcoming passengers aboard. Why do you suppose your FOM says that you must wear a clean and pressed uniform and that you always have to be well groomed? Mgt is not stupid, they know that's the cheapest and best MARKETING they can get. And it's not just the uniform but everything that goes with it.
Just a few years ago I saw an opinion poll on a paper (USA Today?) of the most respected professions in the US. We were in the top five along with doctors and firefighters, if memory serves me well.
I can't believe there are still some of us who embrace the testicular hammering philosophy, "we're paid too much! please lower my salary and charge me more taxes!". If you want to make less money there are plenty of jobs out there where you can achieve your dream just stay away from aviation, please.
10-15-2010, 12:49 PM
#23
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Who's kidding who,
Take the emotion out of this. The general air traveling public does not give a ******* about who is flying the airplane, they just want the cheapest ticket. Pilots do not generate any revenue, they are an expense, the job is to safely move the aircraft from location to location without killing anyone. Look at the rest of the economy, I am sorry but if you are making 200k you are not exactlly suffering. I never advocated pay going down or anyone's taxes going up.
Take the emotion out of this. The general air traveling public does not give a ******* about who is flying the airplane, they just want the cheapest ticket. Pilots do not generate any revenue, they are an expense, the job is to safely move the aircraft from location to location without killing anyone. Look at the rest of the economy, I am sorry but if you are making 200k you are not exactlly suffering. I never advocated pay going down or anyone's taxes going up.
1.) puts the lives of thousands of people a week in my hands
2.) Entrusts me with millions of dollars of equipment
3.) Most likely required me to sacrifice, starve and gamble to get there
4.) Could vanish in the blink of an eye for anything from a medical problem to a small economic hiccup.
The level of responisbility, training, sacrifice required to attain (and maintain!) the position of Captain on a major airliner, with the risk assumed every time you pull out of the gate absolutley warrants it. If you don't think so, feel free to give your excess pay to charity, or me. Or find another line of work.
10-15-2010, 12:59 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: B-737
Posts: 392
Who's kidding who,
Take the emotion out of this. The general air traveling public does not give a ******* about who is flying the airplane, they just want the cheapest ticket. Pilots do not generate any revenue, they are an expense, the job is to safely move the aircraft from location to location without killing anyone. Look at the rest of the economy, I am sorry but if you are making 200k you are not exactlly suffering. I never advocated pay going down or anyone's taxes going up.
Take the emotion out of this. The general air traveling public does not give a ******* about who is flying the airplane, they just want the cheapest ticket. Pilots do not generate any revenue, they are an expense, the job is to safely move the aircraft from location to location without killing anyone. Look at the rest of the economy, I am sorry but if you are making 200k you are not exactlly suffering. I never advocated pay going down or anyone's taxes going up.
This year Wall Street financial firms are set to dole out a record $145 billion in salaries and bonuses to fewer people than there are pilots at the biggest airline. Do you think they are standing around thinking about the hardships of everyone else? No they're not, they are in a position of power and they simply take it. Pilots are empowered by their collective bargaining rights. Personally I'm thankful for the SWAPA and their ability to maintain a level of pay the rest of us can aspire to.
I can name many professions that earn more than the average mainline pilot--longshoreman comes to mind. Heavy crane operator is another. City bus drivers and garbage haulers make more than almost any regional pilot.
You're wasting your time and ours--so go away.
10-15-2010, 01:24 PM
#26
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Position: 767er Captain
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200k/year is not enough for a job that...
1.) puts the lives of thousands of people a week in my hands
2.) Entrusts me with millions of dollars of equipment
3.) Most likely required me to sacrifice, starve and gamble to get there
4.) Could vanish in the blink of an eye for anything from a medical problem to a small economic hiccup.
The level of responisbility, training, sacrifice required to attain (and maintain!) the position of Captain on a major airliner, with the risk assumed every time you pull out of the gate absolutley warrants it. If you don't think so, feel free to give your excess pay to charity, or me. Or find another line of work.
1.) puts the lives of thousands of people a week in my hands
2.) Entrusts me with millions of dollars of equipment
3.) Most likely required me to sacrifice, starve and gamble to get there
4.) Could vanish in the blink of an eye for anything from a medical problem to a small economic hiccup.
The level of responisbility, training, sacrifice required to attain (and maintain!) the position of Captain on a major airliner, with the risk assumed every time you pull out of the gate absolutley warrants it. If you don't think so, feel free to give your excess pay to charity, or me. Or find another line of work.
10-15-2010, 01:24 PM
#27
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Okay, I love to hijack SWA threads and turn them into SWA vs DAL threads as much as the next DAL guy but this is ridiculous. This is ruining a worthy topic for SWA pilots to discuss and outsiders to throw their two cents in.
This sophomoric diatribe from trolls concerning whether SWA pilots are worth what SWA is gladly paying them is ignorant on so many levels.
Get back on topic, or turn it into a DAL vs SWA thread.
This sophomoric diatribe from trolls concerning whether SWA pilots are worth what SWA is gladly paying them is ignorant on so many levels.
Get back on topic, or turn it into a DAL vs SWA thread.
10-15-2010, 02:39 PM
#28
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As far as the post saying you can't kill a thousand people a week, true, but you only have to hurt one. And you're also exposed to the liability of everyone of those people sueing for some rediculous reason... because they can, as well as being the front man for your airline in that case. It's about the exposure to liability.
10-15-2010, 03:01 PM
#29
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I am with Forgot to Bid on this one, and i want to win the lottery too! I dont know how we go from the 800 news, to the super powers of us pilots! All i can say is that i am happy they are getting them, and also very pleased at the potential of sw hiring again. Great to see a strong company making money, and happy employees. Take care everyone
10-15-2010, 03:28 PM
#30
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