tsquare

Well if that's the case, then you should have no trouble getting a majority of guys to vote no to whatever TA they come up with, and we can see what that will get us. I hope you're right.

DAL 88 Driver

Why would I want a bunch of guys to vote no to "whatever TA they come up with?" I would LOVE to have a TA that made significant progress toward restoring the value of our profession and our careers. I'd vote yes for something like that in a heartbeat. And I would want a majority to vote yes too.

Conversely, if they come up with another TA like C2012 then I would hope a majority of guys would vote no.

Honestly, T, I don't really see your point... other than the straw man you're trying to create where I just want to vote no no matter what.

And GMAB... you don't hope I'm right. Not by a long shot.

tsquare

You want C2K + restoration. Got news for ya. It ain't happening. It's too big a bite at the apple. So we'll wait. You get to vote no, because it doesn't meet your criteria. That's fine, but I have yet to have anybody answer how long they are willing to wait in the unlikely chance that the company doesn't roll over and give it to us. So how long are you willing to wait?

And before you say it... I think you're a surrender monkey because you won't get behind longevity based pay.... so

gzsg

Management is in a bind. Too much profit and training they can't accomplish under our current PWA. We can get a C2015 we all feel good about voting yes for.

DAL 88 Driver

Couldn't agree more. Never gonna happen with the current defeatist mentality prevalent in our MEC.

I disagree. The company could afford it. Pilot costs are relatively small in the grand scheme of things. But they're never going to admit they can afford it. In fact, they'd scream bloody murder over it. But it's all an academic discussion anyway because our MEC doesn't believe it's possible either.



I don't think there's any way to answer that question without knowing the exact facts and circumstances at the time. If DALPA completely changes its stripes and starts pressing for restoration then I'm willing to give it some time to work. It's not going to be an instantaneous thing. And it's going to take longer than if we had been pressing restoration all this time instead of acting like we don't ever expect it. THAT set us back significantly. Expectations have been set and they do not work in our favor. Thanks Lee Moak and DALPA!

So having said all that... yes, I'm willing to give it a good try (which will take some time). How much time is a question I don't think you nor I can answer at this point.

Hey, if longevity based pay will bring our average rates up somewhere close to the buying power we had throughout most of the 1980's, 1990's, and early 2000's, I'm all in! You're going to have to explain to me how it would do that, though.

tsquare

blah blah blah blah blah DPA blah blah blah blah
It is an absolutely quantifiable number. You of all people should know that. It leads me to the conclusion that it is more important to you to punch the company in the eye.

tsquare

They are not in a bind. That's a fallacy. But we can get a good contract. Now whether it is good enough for you is debatable.

DAL 88 Driver

Has absolutely nothing to do with DPA. I think it would have been more practical to replace the total wreck that is ALPA, but it's become clear that's not going to happen. And the more I've seen from DPA, I doubt it would have been a particularly good replacement. Better, yes. But not what we need. In any case, I said nothing (and meant nothing) about DPA. You've got to be the straw man king, T!

Your conclusion is totally wrong. Apparently, you read what I write and only get what you want to get out of it. I get it... you think bankruptcy redefined the value of our profession and there's nothing we can do about it, "blah, blah, blah"...

80ktsClamp

Since all the DPA supporters here agree that the vote isn't going to happen, why doesn't TC see the same inevitable fate and stop taking people's money?

DAL 88 Driver

Because he's delusional? I don't know. But isn't it interesting how all the DALPA supporters like to try and sidetrack the discussion by interjecting DPA into everything? I guess when you can't win the debate on the issue, change the subject.