Carl Spackler

No. I'll post it again:

Now where in there do I say they voted against a TA that they actually liked? I said they're an automatic NO vote regardless of what's in it. Those votes do not indicate lack of support for a TA.

Exactly. That's not the same thing as actually supporting the TA's or the MEC administrators that negotiated it. You just voted yes because you preferred it to an unknown alternative. The point is that it is foolish and disingenuous when certain people here try to connect YES votes with support for the TA and the union.

Yes, but the decision making process is not what we're discussing here. We're discussing what a yes or no vote actually means. Some people are trying to attach meanings to yes and no votes that simply aren't there.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Agreed Alan.

Carl

alfaromeo

At least be honest. He was MEC Chairman during the biggest concession in Delta history. I supported the deal so I don't criticize that performance. However, if you had been a Delta pilot then you would have called him every name that you use now to denigrate those leading the union and would have voted no. You would call him a gigantic surrender monkey. You are just creating some false god because Malone has supported the DPA. He did not communicate any more or less than any other administration. You have no idea what his leadership style was.

Rather B Fishin

Yes and I GUARANTEE that you don't start your pontification when using the privilege of riding on some one elses jumpseat. Sitting in a jumpseat is not the same as working next to an individual but you knew that. Your "whale" cockpit (echo chamber) is an entirely different arena, as well as your corporate office, office, office, office, office, office.........

gzsg

Why don't you back up that nonsense with copies of what Captain Malone wrote leading to C2K and the bag full of dust we are getting from Captain Donatelli.

It's like comparing Michael Jordon to a high school basketball player.

tsquare

Exxxxxxactly.

DAL 88 Driver

Well I was here during that time. I voted no to the pay cuts because I thought they were too severe. But I didn't hold it against Malone because, having been at TWA during their bankruptcy, I knew bankruptcy was a very bad place to be and I believed DALPA at the time that the company would file bankruptcy the next day if we didn't accept pay cuts. I would have voted yes to a more reasonable/fair cut under the circumstances. Of course, hindsight being 20/20 (we went into bankruptcy anyway and then they came after us for more) I would have told them to go pack sand. I suspect Malone (if Moak hadn't managed to pull off his little political coup) would have too.

And I remember very well the leadership and the tone they set during C2K. 180 degrees out of phase from what we've seen from Moak and his minions (which includes you, Alfa) over the past decade. I proudly wore an ALPA pin for almost 20 years. Finally took it off in disgust about 5 years ago and wouldn't even consider wearing it again with the kind of leadership we've had for the past 10 years. I have zero respect for Moak and people like you who have so easily accepted a dramatically lower value for this profession.

DAL 88 Driver

I actually had Carl on my jumpseat a couple of years ago. Tremendously enjoyed his "pontification." In fact, it sounded pretty much the same as the "pontification" I hear from most of the guys I fly with.

tsquare

Of course he does... with YOU. You buy into his crap.

Dorfman

You are correct. I and many others initially sent in our cards to support DPA because of the missteps that they had made. Had DPA not shoot itself in the foot so many times myself and others would have kept our cards current and we would have had a vote by now. Unfortunately TC can't stop the self inflicted wounds.



Well since your post out number me by 1000 to 1 almost I don't routinely post anything. My average once a week post is no comparison to the constant barage of your posts.

Well in your pm you sent previously you said you refused to answer so this is the first time I have seen you answer. Since you have answered I will not mention it again. In reality it was my response to the wife beating question.

Carl appreciate your conviction for DPA and the fact you think it is the best approach for the group. At this point I don't agree but in the end we want the same thing and that is what is best for the pilot group.