Alan Shore

As do elected and appointed reps in any organization. What's your point?

Alan Shore

Thanks. While we all have views that we express on these boards from time to time, there are also objective facts to debate. My intent, at the very least, is to make it clear whether I am expressing my opinion or belief or whether I am stating a fact.

For the record, I believe that Moak's constructive engagement strategy has generally put more money and time off into our pockets since 2005 when he was elected. For example, I believe that the $2.1B we received coming out of BK, the equity we received from the merger, the various pre-C2012 LOAs that gave us CQ bidding, vacation slide, no recovery for OE, etc. are due, at least in part, to that constructive engagement strategy.

At the same time, it seems clear that we will need to be significantly more aggressive this time around if we are to maximize our negotiating leverage for C2015. I continue to hear and read phrases such as "greatest contract in airline history." I look forward to seeing that contract.

tsquare

Nice deflection. No.. couldn't be about you could it Jerry?

Sounds

I've always been weary of ALPA and their 'real' intentions. After Moak's last speech though, I think we have enough evidence to show that there's a conspiracy that goes all the way up.

Maybe now the DPA can get some traction.

gzsg

Come on Tsquare, we are in the best negotiating environment in history and DALPA leadership is so pathetic they have to beg pilots to fill out a survey.

Is it so much to ask for a few goals and a little leadership?

Jet fuel dropped from $2.68 to $2.58 yesterday netting Delta $400 annually in one single day. $2.5 billion annually since the high of $3.22 in Feb 2013.

Say what you will about Captain Malone, but he had goals, he communicated and he led. All we hear is silence.

RA communicates his goals. Why not benchmark the master?

tsquare

Again, the point was that maybe it is YOU that is out of touch with the rest of the group. If 65% finds whatever the TA is... in whatever the negotiating environment is.. to be acceptable.. then it is acceptable. I get what you are saying, and fwiw, I agree that we should see great gains in the upcoming contract, but if waiting an indeterminate period of time to get what you call "restoration" is not acceptable to the group, then you better learn to accept that. The statistically significant part of the group is probably more happy than the discontented vocal minority that frequents these boards, so they don't want to bother with the survey, so they don't and dALPA has to "beg" them to fill it out. And I have my number as to what is acceptable to me, it probably doesn't match yours, and I am not willing to wait for your number to come true as are probably many others that have a vote who understand TVM.

Stated goals for public consumption is worthless IMHO. I just read an article in the WSJ that stated the average hourly wage in the US is DOWN to $24.53. Average. Our customers. Median income is down under this administration. They have zero sympathy for us, and if you believe otherwise you are completely off the rails. So let's take out a full page add in USA today informing them that the poor downtrodden 777 captains should be making $350/hour. Yeah.. that'll show management that we mean business.

Negotiations are coming. That's the time for goals and such. Until then... it's just DPA sponsored bluster.

Rather B Fishin

I was not under the impression that Capt. Malone served at the pleasure of the NWA MEC. You PERSONALLY experienced his goal setting, communication and leadership how exactly?

gzsg

I took the time to read all of his communication. Among other volunteer positions at NWA ALPA I served on the Communications Committee and was a spokesman for the 1998 strike. I spent a great deal of time with young Captain Moak during the time as he took the time to come observe.

IMO if Captain Malone was todays MEC Chairman we would have over a 90% response to our contract survey. Because he took the time to set goals, lead and communicate.

Carl Spackler

This is exactly the kind of stuff that makes you look so weak Karnak. Do you not understand that everyone sees that only you are saying that? Do you think you're really able to fool people with this constant straw man argument stuff?

Again, the MEC administration's "positives only" communication was emailed directly to everyone and inserted in their v files. The reps who had negative communications did not have that distribution. Other pilots would not even know of it's existence unless they went to the other councils websites and searched for the documents. That's a huge advantage to the MEC administration. I know you know that, but your desire for straw men overrule.

As you well know, that's a completely different topic. Deflecting wont help you Karnak.

Another straw man and deflection. It was a sell job and fear campaign because scare tactics were used and there was no balance from the MEC administration by discussing the TA's negatives. The MEC administration controlled the communications during the road shows...not the LEC reps. Your attempt to claim otherwise is disingenuous and yet another indication of your purpose here of communication through deception.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I routinely fly with former south pilots during my jumpseat commutes. I also routinely tip beers and have meals with former south guys during the NRT layovers. But don't let facts get in the way of a good DALPA sponsored smear.

Carl