Delta Pilots Association
10-09-2014, 06:10 PM
#9311
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
. Yes there were some council reps that published the cons within TA2012. But those were ONLY local documents that were NOT available to non-members of those councils unless a pilot clicked through multiple links on ALPA.org to find the document. Conversely, the MEC administration's pro only documents were emailed directly to every line pilot regardless of council affiliation.
I still want to know how much the MEC spent on that high-grade eyewash they used to sell C12.
Karnak--do you currently occupy a post in Moak's administration?
Last edited by Purple Drank; 10-09-2014 at 06:22 PM.
10-09-2014, 06:20 PM
#9312
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
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Posts: 4,202
10-09-2014, 06:36 PM
#9313
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
I fully understand your desire to debate solely "based on ideas." And surely you didn't attempt to claim that you are engaging in "an objective fashion." 
(although I do give you credit for being more objective than many of your DALPA colleagues here).
Funny thing is, the folks who push hardest for unconditional ideological debate are the hardcore ALPA supporters.
So what?
I don't want to know who folks are, nor divulge their identities if I did. I value my anonymity here, too.
if you don't, then why are you asking such pointed questions?
However, I do think it's critical to know from what general perspective each of us posts.
then let me ask you, where are you based? What equipment are you on? What percentage are you in category? We need to know what your perspective is...
For example, it would be big news for me to say that "Moak's constructive engagement strategy is a huge success for Delta pilots." (Which I am not).
It would be big news for Alan Shore to say "Moak's constructive engagement strategy is costing Delta pilots money and time off." (which he, so far, has not.)
It matters who says what, from where.
(although I do give you credit for being more objective than many of your DALPA colleagues here).Funny thing is, the folks who push hardest for unconditional ideological debate are the hardcore ALPA supporters.
So what?
I don't want to know who folks are, nor divulge their identities if I did. I value my anonymity here, too.
if you don't, then why are you asking such pointed questions?
However, I do think it's critical to know from what general perspective each of us posts.
then let me ask you, where are you based? What equipment are you on? What percentage are you in category? We need to know what your perspective is...
For example, it would be big news for me to say that "Moak's constructive engagement strategy is a huge success for Delta pilots." (Which I am not).
It would be big news for Alan Shore to say "Moak's constructive engagement strategy is costing Delta pilots money and time off." (which he, so far, has not.)
It matters who says what, from where.
Denny
10-09-2014, 06:41 PM
#9314
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 365
Second it was a reply to the "have you stopped beating your wife question" he asked me.
10-09-2014, 06:43 PM
#9315
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
I'm a line Delta pilot. I have no agenda beyond improving the lot of Delta pilots. More money and more time off; better transparency, accountability, and leadership; less corruption and bureaucratic bloat. That's what I demand from "my" "union."
What is your agenda, Denny?
10-09-2014, 06:56 PM
#9316
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 852
Karnak, I'm calling you out as a member of Moak's regime, coasting at ALPA national with aspirations for a future elected position. You haven't flown the line in...who knows how long. You don't give a flying #### for the Delta line pilot. You care only for furthering your personal advancement and ALPA's bloated agenda.
And I'm not surprised by that.
If I'm wrong, I invite you, here and now, to refute the following:
-you collect pay from ALPA (and thus, our dues) instead of flying, and have done so since you serviced Moak when he was the DALPA MEC chairman
-your bidding line shows "ALPA" as the reason for your FPL
-you are on the ballot for an elected position at ALPA national
-you collect pay from ALPA (and thus, our dues) instead of flying, and have done so since you serviced Moak when he was the DALPA MEC chairman
-your bidding line shows "ALPA" as the reason for your FPL
-you are on the ballot for an elected position at ALPA national
No
No
This is funny. I'm trying to figure out who you think I am, since it's obvious you're very certain - and very wrong.
When the discussion isn't going your way, try using a signal word like "regime", so the rest of us will know you've conceded the argument and are shifting to Personal Attack mode for cover.
10-09-2014, 06:57 PM
#9317
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
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I'm averaging about 75 hours of hard fly per month so far this year. Greenie monster in May and June. Credited 141 hours in May. It looks like you got the wrong guy.
And I'm not surprised by that.
No
No
No
This is funny. I'm trying to figure out who you think I am, since it's obvious you're very certain - and very wrong.
When the discussion isn't going your way, try using a signal word like "regime", so the rest of us will know you've conceded the argument and are shifting to Personal Attack mode for cover.
And I'm not surprised by that.
No
No
No
This is funny. I'm trying to figure out who you think I am, since it's obvious you're very certain - and very wrong.
When the discussion isn't going your way, try using a signal word like "regime", so the rest of us will know you've conceded the argument and are shifting to Personal Attack mode for cover.
10-09-2014, 07:15 PM
#9318
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 852
Great example of the DALPA method of deceitful communications. Yes there were some council reps that published the cons within TA2012. But those were ONLY local documents that were NOT available to non-members of those councils unless a pilot clicked through multiple links on ALPA.org to find the document.
Conversely, the MEC administration's pro only documents were emailed directly to every line pilot regardless of council affiliation.
Not one single document from the MEC administration had one single con related to TA 2012.[/QUOTE]
It was my understanding that the TA was passed by the MEC. The vote directed the Administration. That's how it works.
I remember hearing and reading a lot of thoughtful Con perspectives on the TA. I remember hearing a few silly perspectives offered as Pro arguments, too. I voted Yes. You voted No. My vote was one of the clear majority. Your's was part of the clear minority.
I understand why you would call it a sell job, if the only possible alternative is that you're out of touch with a majority of the pilots.
10-09-2014, 07:15 PM
#9319
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
OK. My statement comes from the fact that the DPA survey has over 1,400 respondents thus far or around 15% of the seniority list. Whether I'm commuting or flying line trips, I've yet to run across a single pilot that has done the ALPA survey. Not one. But some of those same people said they did do the DPA survey.
That's why I said that I'll bet the DPA survey has more respondents than the DALPA survey. It's your right to think my statement is BS. Just wanted you to know how I derived it.
Carl
10-09-2014, 07:25 PM
#9320
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
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