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10-08-2014, 05:40 PM
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The short answer is because some focus more on our differences than our common goals. Causes of that are difference priorities.
If we were all 45 year old captains still married to our original wives, with 2.5 kids, who lived in base, and had $2-million in our 401(k) account, then only 5 things would divide us (politics, religion, beer preference, CDO's, and whether or not the DH is bad for baseball).
DPA preys on the differences. ALPA focuses on the common goals.
We can find exceptions to those two statements, and that keeps this thread going. Too bad. If Timmy dropped the predatory exploitation of our differences, and accepted the fact that all organizations have flaws that need fixing, I think we could make some progress correcting ALPA's lapses in focus.
"In order to form a more perfect union…" I read that somewhere.
If we were all 45 year old captains still married to our original wives, with 2.5 kids, who lived in base, and had $2-million in our 401(k) account, then only 5 things would divide us (politics, religion, beer preference, CDO's, and whether or not the DH is bad for baseball).
DPA preys on the differences. ALPA focuses on the common goals.
We can find exceptions to those two statements, and that keeps this thread going. Too bad. If Timmy dropped the predatory exploitation of our differences, and accepted the fact that all organizations have flaws that need fixing, I think we could make some progress correcting ALPA's lapses in focus.
"In order to form a more perfect union…" I read that somewhere.
They are gonna say whatever crapola they need to say to sway the voters.. which ain't US... We have no say in who gets elected. National is out of touch.. and out of control. It is truly depressing to watch the "leadership" get all the perks and a retirement that makes even some CEOs envious yet here we are with 1990 payrates...
Still waiting for Mr. Prater to get off his butt and show up at an LEC meeting..... ANY LEC meeting at the world's largest airline with his agenda as to how he is going to "take back this profession"
Still waiting for Mr. Prater to get off his butt and show up at an LEC meeting..... ANY LEC meeting at the world's largest airline with his agenda as to how he is going to "take back this profession"
Carl
10-08-2014, 05:42 PM
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Differing priorities has nothing to do with the division in our group. It is ALPA's behavior. Nobody in our group prioritized the gutting of our scope. That was ALPA's priority to get the regionals on board as ALPA members. Nobody in our group prioritized stabbing TWA pilots in the back. That was ALPA's priority in an attempt to gain American pilots as members. Nobody in our group prioritized the busting of the union of ALPA's own clerical workers. Nobody in our group prioritized giving away profit sharing, and our reps specifically ordered that not be done without their prior approval. ALPA had other priorities and we got the cut in profit sharing anyway. I could go on with many more examples.
Again, this has nothing to do with differing priorities among Delta pilots. We Delta pilots understand that differing priorities are part of a group of 12,000 pilots. Our division is based on the actual performance of our bargaining agent. Some are OK with it, some are not. That's the issue.
Carl
Again, this has nothing to do with differing priorities among Delta pilots. We Delta pilots understand that differing priorities are part of a group of 12,000 pilots. Our division is based on the actual performance of our bargaining agent. Some are OK with it, some are not. That's the issue.
Carl
10-08-2014, 05:46 PM
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Did you read any of the perspectives put out by our reps? If you did, please acknowledge that there was a lot of very thoughtful "Con" data and opinions published by our dues to present several perspectives.
10-08-2014, 05:52 PM
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Carl
10-08-2014, 06:09 PM
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Interesting. If you see problems within ALPA, best keep your mouth shut or Karnak here will tell you you're making too much of it and causing division. This is why you MEC insiders are such poor debaters. You get no practice within the echo chamber. As you've been told many times before by reps who you castigate: Unanimity does not equal unity.
That's simply not true Karnak. You do not. Since I've been here you've done nothing but lower expectations and offer the advice of appeasement. This is just the latest example:
At least you've been consistent Karnak.
Carl
That's simply not true Karnak. You do not. Since I've been here you've done nothing but lower expectations and offer the advice of appeasement. This is just the latest example:
Carl
10-09-2014, 12:12 AM
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10-09-2014, 08:14 AM
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Carl
10-09-2014, 08:24 AM
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Edit: just went back to my emails and looked at the last five True Headings from the Special Committee. They are documents 14-12 through 14-16. Not one of those documents show an author. None.
Last edited by Carl Spackler; 10-09-2014 at 08:39 AM.
10-09-2014, 08:36 AM
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Carl,
This is another example of you stating your opinion as fact. While that opinion is apparently based on what you read into Karnak's posts, you cannot possibly have any personal knowledge of his wants and desires.
Opinions or beliefs, yes. Knowledge that warrants a statement fact, no.
This is another example of you stating your opinion as fact. While that opinion is apparently based on what you read into Karnak's posts, you cannot possibly have any personal knowledge of his wants and desires.
Opinions or beliefs, yes. Knowledge that warrants a statement fact, no.
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