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Old 10-08-2014, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
They instead opted for a "Special Committee" funded to over $100,000 thus far that our reps didn't even know existed until recently, and nobody is disclosing who its members are. Even in their emailing called "True Headings", nobody ever signs that document.
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The DTW CA Rep said otherwise and that the MEC authorized (like a vote but not an actual vote) the committee in a closed session during a Seattle meeting and they were updated at every meeting until the committee went away.

I count at least three of the last five true headings with authors about par with how many DPA updates have names.
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Old 10-08-2014, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
ALPA lost touch with the line pilots over 20 years ago.
Funny you should type this. We've had 4 contract ratification votes in the past 11 years. You voted No on all of them, yet they all passed by sizable majorities.

At what point do you acknowledge that YOU have lost touch with the line pilots?
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Old 10-08-2014, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I understand that Dorfman. That was DPA's opinion and they were entitled to that. My opinion has always been that nobody knows except the FBI because they never talk about investigations.



No, I said others might think that, but nobody knows of their "involvement". You can hand over a bunch of documents and walk away thinking the FBI is "involved", but you're just guessing. They could look at them and take them seriously, or look at them and throw them away. We outsiders don't know.



Yes, I referred to DPA saying there was an investigation. They were assuming that, and that assumption could be right or very wrong.

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Carl,

So you are saying that the DPA, the same organization that you think should lead this pilot group can not be sure if the FBI is or was investigating. Not knowing they go ahead and publish the fact that the FBI is investigating and then later publish more information that the investigation is on going and "making great strides"

So is DPA deceitful or inept?
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Old 10-08-2014, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
Funny you should type this. We've had 4 contract ratification votes in the past 11 years. You voted No on all of them, yet they all passed by sizable majorities.

At what point do you acknowledge that YOU have lost touch with the line pilots?
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Old 10-08-2014, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Answer this....... Why is our pilot group divided?
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The short answer is because some focus more on our differences than our common goals. Causes of that are difference priorities.
Differing priorities has nothing to do with the division in our group. It is ALPA's behavior. Nobody in our group prioritized the gutting of our scope. That was ALPA's priority to get the regionals on board as ALPA members. Nobody in our group prioritized stabbing TWA pilots in the back. That was ALPA's priority in an attempt to gain American pilots as members. Nobody in our group prioritized the busting of the union of ALPA's own clerical workers. Nobody in our group prioritized giving away profit sharing, and our reps specifically ordered that not be done without their prior approval. ALPA had other priorities and we got the cut in profit sharing anyway. I could go on with many more examples.

Again, this has nothing to do with differing priorities among Delta pilots. We Delta pilots understand that differing priorities are part of a group of 12,000 pilots. Our division is based on the actual performance of our bargaining agent. Some are OK with it, some are not. That's the issue.

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Old 10-08-2014, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
Funny you should type this. We've had 4 contract ratification votes in the past 11 years.
Why did ALPA need to put together such a costly sales job for C12? How much did that cost?

Why wasn't the pilot group presented with a "pros/cons" summary?

What was ALPA afraid of?

Does anyone doubt another sales job will be needed for C15?
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Old 10-08-2014, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
Funny you should type this. We've had 4 contract ratification votes in the past 11 years. You voted No on all of them, yet they all passed by sizable majorities.

At what point do you acknowledge that YOU have lost touch with the line pilots?
Moak's in the *****house with a fist full of $50s and can't get laid. At what point do you admit the emperor has no clothes?
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Old 10-08-2014, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
If Timmy dropped the predatory exploitation of our differences, and accepted the fact that all organizations have flaws that need fixing, I think we could make some progress correcting ALPA's lapses in focus.
Exactly what flaws in ALPA do you think needs fixing?

Exactly what examples of ALPA's lapses in focus can you give us?

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Old 10-08-2014, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Perhaps because ewe have a group of individuals actively working to divide the pilot group.
I agree. Maybe DALPA will give us the names of the Special Committee members so we can tell them to stop dividing the pilot group.

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Old 10-08-2014, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
It doesn't imply anything about our "position". All it means is that the group is apathetic.... dare I say satisfied at this point in time or else they would be burning a path to the website.
Wow. Analysis...so easy, even a caveman can do it.

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but I guess the survey makes some people feel like their voices are heard louder than any other way other than handing out DPA cards.. right Carl?
It depends which survey you're talking about tsquare. I suspect ALPA knows their survey participation was far less than the participation in DPA's survey.

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