Delta Pilots Association
10-08-2014, 04:51 AM
#9261
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Exactly like they stated. Anytime you show a lack of support in a union it's a weakness to be exploited by the other side. Read their letter if it's still on the website. Both management and labor form expectations going into a contract. A divided pilot group raises managements expectations on what they can achieve and prevent us from getting.
The contract survey is another area that can impact management expectations. If only 30% fill out the survey management will draw conclusions from that. First on the list would be that the pilot group is very content with the current contract and desires little in the way of improvements.
The contract survey is another area that can impact management expectations. If only 30% fill out the survey management will draw conclusions from that. First on the list would be that the pilot group is very content with the current contract and desires little in the way of improvements.
Also managements expectations aren't my concern, what is my concern is DALPA's performance on our impending contract.
10-08-2014, 05:35 AM
#9263
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Complete nonsense. This group is divided along the lines of ALPA's performance. It's always been that way. DPA was nothing more than the manifestation of the deep divide produced by ALPA's behavior as a bargaining agent. As has been said many times by me and many others, ALPA could have killed the DPA by behaving like a real union. ALPA refused to take that option. They instead opted for a "Special Committee" funded to over $100,000 thus far that our reps didn't even know existed until recently, and nobody is disclosing who its members are. Even in their emailing called "True Headings", nobody ever signs that document.
Behave like a real union, and all other challenges to ALPA disappear. ALPA is capable of it...they proved it with C2K and the fight to stop the purchase of Delta by USAirways.
Carl
Behave like a real union, and all other challenges to ALPA disappear. ALPA is capable of it...they proved it with C2K and the fight to stop the purchase of Delta by USAirways.
Carl
When's the vote?
10-08-2014, 06:39 AM
#9264
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Don't get your panties in a wad, T. I'm just asking.
Sailingfun said that he just heard participation was within a few points of the survey participation in the last contract. DALPA clearly gave the reason for extending the survey as being due to the participation being too low to provide a valid sample.
If that's "not what is being said at all" then perhaps you'd like to provide us with some other interpretation that I'm apparently not seeing?
Sailingfun said that he just heard participation was within a few points of the survey participation in the last contract. DALPA clearly gave the reason for extending the survey as being due to the participation being too low to provide a valid sample.
If that's "not what is being said at all" then perhaps you'd like to provide us with some other interpretation that I'm apparently not seeing?
10-08-2014, 06:47 AM
#9265
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
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Complete nonsense. This group is divided along the lines of ALPA's performance. It's always been that way. DPA was nothing more than the manifestation of the deep divide produced by ALPA's behavior as a bargaining agent. As has been said many times by me and many others, ALPA could have killed the DPA by behaving like a real union. ALPA refused to take that option. They instead opted for a "Special Committee" funded to over $100,000 thus far that our reps didn't even know existed until recently, and nobody is disclosing who its members are. Even in their emailing called "True Headings", nobody ever signs that document.
Behave like a real union, and all other challenges to ALPA disappear. ALPA is capable of it...they proved it with C2K and the fight to stop the purchase of Delta by USAirways.
Carl
Behave like a real union, and all other challenges to ALPA disappear. ALPA is capable of it...they proved it with C2K and the fight to stop the purchase of Delta by USAirways.
Carl
10-08-2014, 07:40 AM
#9266
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Posts: 852
The short answer is because some focus more on our differences than our common goals. Causes of that are difference priorities.
If we were all 45 year old captains still married to our original wives, with 2.5 kids, who lived in base, and had $2-million in our 401(k) account, then only 5 things would divide us (politics, religion, beer preference, CDO's, and whether or not the DH is bad for baseball).
DPA preys on the differences. ALPA focuses on the common goals.
We can find exceptions to those two statements, and that keeps this thread going. Too bad. If Timmy dropped the predatory exploitation of our differences, and accepted the fact that all organizations have flaws that need fixing, I think we could make some progress correcting ALPA's lapses in focus.
"In order to form a more perfect union…" I read that somewhere.
If we were all 45 year old captains still married to our original wives, with 2.5 kids, who lived in base, and had $2-million in our 401(k) account, then only 5 things would divide us (politics, religion, beer preference, CDO's, and whether or not the DH is bad for baseball).
DPA preys on the differences. ALPA focuses on the common goals.
We can find exceptions to those two statements, and that keeps this thread going. Too bad. If Timmy dropped the predatory exploitation of our differences, and accepted the fact that all organizations have flaws that need fixing, I think we could make some progress correcting ALPA's lapses in focus.
"In order to form a more perfect union…" I read that somewhere.
10-08-2014, 08:01 AM
#9268
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10-08-2014, 10:22 AM
#9269
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Before we confuse anyone, "valid samples" are not the problem according to what they said. https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/sample-size/ Statistically the sample size is already valid. The survey isn't to gauge the percent of us that want 'x', it's to provide a vote. All democratically and whatnot. I don't know why it was re-opened though, if anything that implies a weak position.
10-08-2014, 10:23 AM
#9270
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Posts: 12,109
The short answer is because some focus more on our differences than our common goals. Causes of that are difference priorities.
If we were all 45 year old captains still married to our original wives, with 2.5 kids, who lived in base, and had $2-million in our 401(k) account, then only 5 things would divide us (politics, religion, beer preference, CDO's, and whether or not the DH is bad for baseball).
DPA preys on the differences. ALPA focuses on the common goals.
We can find exceptions to those two statements, and that keeps this thread going. Too bad. If Timmy dropped the predatory exploitation of our differences, and accepted the fact that all organizations have flaws that need fixing, I think we could make some progress correcting ALPA's lapses in focus.
"In order to form a more perfect union…" I read that somewhere.
If we were all 45 year old captains still married to our original wives, with 2.5 kids, who lived in base, and had $2-million in our 401(k) account, then only 5 things would divide us (politics, religion, beer preference, CDO's, and whether or not the DH is bad for baseball).
DPA preys on the differences. ALPA focuses on the common goals.
We can find exceptions to those two statements, and that keeps this thread going. Too bad. If Timmy dropped the predatory exploitation of our differences, and accepted the fact that all organizations have flaws that need fixing, I think we could make some progress correcting ALPA's lapses in focus.
"In order to form a more perfect union…" I read that somewhere.
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