TheManager

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buzzpat

No, if you got a GS that is pay above the RSV guarantee. If you put in a WS, that's just credit toward your guarantee. No B scale. Relax.

Hillbilly

I understand what you are saying, even if you were on a GS and not exactly referring to a normal reserve versus regular trip pay comparison. This was an issue that was previously on my survey responses. While you were focusing on flow up LOAs, you missed that it has been addressed in the PWA. Section 12 J. Reserve Duty Period Average would apply at the end of the bid period for a reserve pilot. If 5:15 per qualifying duty period you flew is greater than the guarantee or your accumulated credit, you get it as pay/no credit above what you already have.

Gomerglideslope

Interesting, another reference to Alinsky yet you don't seem to have a sound grasp of the "rules of the radical" as manifested by Alinsky. The DPA however follows many of the 12 rules...and like Saul Alinsky are destined for ultimate failure.

crewdawg52

Well aware of how a GS works if one is on resv. All I'm stating is my trip was worth 9:06, while his was 10:30. For the same thing.

scambo1

IIRC, it used to be only what the block time was. The divide has been closed significantly.

Herkflyr

Got it. Are you PMNW? (I assume so because under your avatar it says 747B). What we have now is actually an improvement from years past, at least at the DAL-S side of the house. Contractually reserves have never gotten the Duty Period Average whereas guys on a regular line do--thus the difference in pay. The thinking is (though I disagree with it) is that because reserves will always get the reserve guarantee, then they don't "need" the Duty Period Average. Again, don't shoot the messenger, I'm just stating how it is.

However, prior to the much-criticized C2012, there was no calendar day average/Average Daily Guarantee (ADG) which is currently 4.30 a day--AND it applies to reserves; reserves do get duty and trip rigs, but the only guarantee prior to C2012 was the Duty Period Minimum of 2 hours, which isn't worth much. You would often see a trip that would entail one leg out, layover, and one leg back, worth 10.30 for a regular line guy but only 4 hours for a reserve. Or, you would have a trip that would DH one leg, layover, then fly back, or vice versa. That would only pay a regular guy 7.15 (5.15 DPA for the flying day, plus 2 hours DPM for the dh-only day) and still only 4 hours for a reserve.

While not the complete "end state" solution, the Average Daily Guarantee goes a long way towards fixing both examples. Now, with the ADG, no two-day trip will ever be less than 9 hours, and that is the case for both regular and reserve guys. I know that doesn't fix the fact that in your case the captain got more than you hours-wise, but it is a step in the right direction. If we can negotiate an even higher ADG in our next contract, then you won't have this issue in the future.

Seaslap8

The reserve vs regular pay is one thing, but what is the point about rj drivers?

gloopy

I think he was probably getting at the 35% DCI ALPA quota in the DL pilot contract; the same contract that permits the lower case b scale.

FIIGMO

Day 47

DAy 47 still divided!,