Splash

You BELIEVE we are run by National.
You BELIEVE TWA 800 was shot down.
You BELIEVE the moon landings were faked.
You BELIEVE there was a shooter on the Grassy Knoll.
You BELIEVE 9/11 was a government plot.

I agree with you that this thread exists because some pilots find it easier to believe things they WANT to believe rather than things the way they are.

You hold strong opinions, and cast your votes based upon them. You have found yourself consistently in the minority. So you conclude there must be some evil force that is playing Jedi Mind Tricks on the majority. Could it be you're out of touch? Don't take it as flame. I just think its a more likely scenario than ALPA being the Empire you make them out to be.

Herkflyr

I sort of agree with you. Whenever a SWA guys reads a new press release that states "SWA announces new service" he knows it is a SWA flight on SWA equipment flown by SWAPA pilots. Us? Maybe, maybe not.

tsquare

You can fly right to FARs.... just like SWA. The only thing is that you cannot do for 10 months in a row because you would time out for Nov-Dec. Hardly an onerous restriction.

Carl Spackler

So this passes for dialogue in the ALPA echo chamber? Totally make stuff up in the hopes that people will think these are my beliefs? This is why you guys are so weak. You can't debate. You can only perform these left wing Saul Alinsky tactics of portraying your opponent as too crazy to be listened to. It's old school and boring.

Again, that's not why I said the thread exists. That's what YOU are saying. You are so transparent and old school.

You confuse being in the minority of a vote as being in the minority of opinion. That's why you ALPA no matter what guys are so troubled by DPA. You can't understand why 50% of the pilots have a card in when only 38% voted down the TA.

Carl

Splash

Sorry. I thought you could make the intellectual connection between common conspiracy theories without having to paint the picture. I'll make it simpler. You have chosen a conspiracy theory that fits your world-view of ALPA, and where Delta pilots fit within its structure.

First, regardless of your theoretical separation between opinions and votes, tallying the votes is the only way a democratic organization such as a pilot union can accurately determine the membership's view on Yes or No issues. If there is another way to do it, I'm open to your suggestions. If the union must follow the will of the majority of its members, how is that determined?

Second, I dispute the percentages. I don't think DPA has valid cards from 50% of the pilot group. The burden of proof lies with them, and so far, all they are doing is SAYING they have 50%. Here's an analogy. I SAY there's no influence by National on the Delta MEC, and you don't believe it. You SAY DPA has 50%, and I don't believe it.

Feel free to prove either one with something other than opinions.

DAL 88 Driver

That would be a valid argument... except for the fact that their average days worked per month is 12. Bottom line is they make way more than us and work fewer days to make it.

Starcheck102

That's it? Get someone to read it to you slowly, captain. Your lawyer is a snake. Wake the f__k up.

Your sorority made a side deal with him, and now you want to stick every Delta pilot with his billable hours.

Purple Drank

I am absolutely certain Delta pilots must be represented in-house, without the encumbrance of ALPA national.

However, I have reached the conclusion (just my opinion) that there is no path to DPA's election. Here are three of the reasons why.

1) TC. He has parlayed our legitimate dissatisfaction with ALPA into a means for furthering his own vendetta. By refusing to heed reasonable requests to step aside, he strikes me as out-of-touch and arrogant as the ALPA goons we're trying to ditch.

2) Transparency. What is the magic number of cards, and how many active cards are there? DPA has justly dinged DALPA's lack of transparency...and then refused to be forthcoming itself.

3) Credibility. I believe most Delta pilots have integrity. I like to think I do. It bothers me that the DPA has associated itself with very shady counsel. I don't need or even want my lawyers to be boy scouts--but those guys seem to have some serious ethical shortcomings beyond what we're comfortable with. I realize those lawyers would not be involved in the end-state union, but Delta pilots won't sign on to a cause represented at any stage by those folks.

Make no mistake, this is not an endorsement of ALPA in any way, shape or form. I despise sending Delta pilots' money to a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy whose only goal is institutional and individual self-preservation and wealth/power accumulation.

Delta line pilots are merely an ATM for ALPA national, and to a lesser extent, the entrenched DALPA junta. Now, realistically, it's impossible to completely eradicate the waste/abuse. But if we've got to have it, I don't want it going to national. Let's keep it in-house.

TC has damaged the in-house union brand significantly, if not irreparably. It will take years to rehab our group's perception of an in-house union drive. If only he had stepped away a year or two ago.

So I guess I've become a secessionist. I'll be researching the viability of installing an MEC that will support secession from national...or an MEC that will modify the bylaws to effect such an outcome. Is it possible? Who knows, maybe you'll see me on a ballot someday.

bigbusdriver

Yeah? How about this?
Any of this sound like another group you know?

AICA has been using Seham and the McCormick Advisory Group against the APA since 1993! Imagine 20 years of DPA not getting anything done...

Herkflyr

That is a true statement. They get the same credit hours as we do for working fewer days, or they get more credit hours for working the same days. I had a long follow-on statement but my head hurts.