Delta Pilots Association
12-07-2013, 10:41 AM
#8871
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Neither do we though except in valley months in fat categories. Both of which are rapidly going away. Going forward we might see a few top reserves get LC early in the month in large categories for a few days but 6-7 SC plus open time trips when they are tight in staffing will result in very, very little LC for anyone most of the time.
12-07-2013, 11:30 AM
#8872
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Yeah.. uh.. no. Ours is more likely to be thru a ton of training and movement in the future whereas theirs is mainly a contractual hole. DAL will probably not man anything toooooo thin because of the GS factor. Rolling thunder gets expensive, and when the senior guys are *****ing themselves out... it feeds on itself. You may disagree however...
12-07-2013, 02:00 PM
#8873
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Decoupled
Posts: 922
First of all, the 777 is banded with the 787, 767-4, and 340.
Second, how about those work rules? You might be right that our pay RATES are better, but our work rules SUCK in comparison to what USAirways pilots will have. How's that for the pilots of the most profitable and best run airline finis?
When in the hell is this pilot group going to stand up for itself.
Carl
Second, how about those work rules? You might be right that our pay RATES are better, but our work rules SUCK in comparison to what USAirways pilots will have. How's that for the pilots of the most profitable and best run airline finis?
When in the hell is this pilot group going to stand up for itself.
Carl
This has always been a major fail at DAL. DAL pilots have always looked at only the pay rates. They were famous for never looking beyond the rate at duty rigs or work rules that put money in the pocket or made for better quality of life.
Its been a failing since well before my time. It's also a reason why I have consistently voted against contracts through the years. It's all about work rules for me. I want to work less and get paid more.
This is why, in my estimation, SWA does well. Their pay rate doesn't reflect their paycheck. Their W2 is larger because of this issue.
It would take real sea change for our focus to change. I really don't expect it in my lifetime. One can hope.
12-07-2013, 03:13 PM
#8874
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Lowest Pay I Could Find
Posts: 1,044
Carl,
This has always been a major fail at DAL. DAL pilots have always looked at only the pay rates. They were famous for never looking beyond the rate at duty rigs or work rules that put money in the pocket or made for better quality of life.
Its been a failing since well before my time. It's also a reason why I have consistently voted against contracts through the years. It's all about work rules for me. I want to work less and get paid more.
This is why, in my estimation, SWA does well. Their pay rate doesn't reflect their paycheck. Their W2 is larger because of this issue.
It would take real sea change for our focus to change. I really don't expect it in my lifetime. One can hope.
This has always been a major fail at DAL. DAL pilots have always looked at only the pay rates. They were famous for never looking beyond the rate at duty rigs or work rules that put money in the pocket or made for better quality of life.
Its been a failing since well before my time. It's also a reason why I have consistently voted against contracts through the years. It's all about work rules for me. I want to work less and get paid more.
This is why, in my estimation, SWA does well. Their pay rate doesn't reflect their paycheck. Their W2 is larger because of this issue.
It would take real sea change for our focus to change. I really don't expect it in my lifetime. One can hope.
12-07-2013, 04:40 PM
#8875
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
tsquare and johnso29 will soon chime in to say that rolling around in dog**** is actually good for the skin, and maneuvering on one's knees is great physical conditioning.
12-07-2013, 05:07 PM
#8877
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
12-07-2013, 08:24 PM
#8878
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
DALPA could push a contract requiring us to roll around in dog**** and give the chief pilot a rub and a tug after every rotation, and 60% of us would be falling over ourselves to vote yes to "help the company."
tsquare and johnso29 will soon chime in to say that rolling around in dog**** is actually good for the skin, and maneuvering on one's knees is great physical conditioning.
tsquare and johnso29 will soon chime in to say that rolling around in dog**** is actually good for the skin, and maneuvering on one's knees is great physical conditioning.
. I think we should have at least 12 hours with 3 hours to verify notification. What does dog**** rolling pay?
12-07-2013, 08:37 PM
#8879
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
12-07-2013, 08:38 PM
#8880
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
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