Starcheck102

Purple,

The Average Daily Guarantee (ADG) is 4:30, the Duty Period Average (DPA) is 5:15. The reason for the difference is purely economic, and I believe you only pretend at outrage.

What does "ADP" refer to? It's not in the PWA, but it is in Volume 2.

ADG puts money into my pocket whenever the report is before 2200 and the release is after 0200. ADG has kept me from getting regular lines worth less than 72 hours, which happened too often before C2012.

TheManager

They don't need to be on it. Likely will be fenced. But they will be flying the a330 and I believe that is in that group.

So, this pay rate band they have covers our a330 and b7674 rates.

In 2016, USAirways band for the 767-4/330 will hit $275.98 and the same band at Delta will be $255.67.

In 2017 they will increase to $285.64 and in 2018 they will top out at $295.63.

If we are in prolonged negotiations, they will be making $40 more an hour.

That is a bar!

slowplay

Looks like some learning has finally taken place...

APA looked for that 52% increase in 2006. It will take them 10 years to even have the potential to pass our current PWA rate under their new contract. Is there time value to money?

DAL 88 Driver

And our average Captain has probably lost about $1 million in pay over the past decade. Calculate the time value of that!

TheManager

Slowplay, need to work on your reading comprehension.

This is the Merger Transition Agreement. It takes effect on the date of POR, 12/9/13.

The APA is now going to work on the JCBA that will be their post merger agreement once Judge Silver wraps up her business.

Highly likely that the JCBA contract is even more improved than this MTA

Seems like the APA is doing great work towards restoration as ALPA national and DALPA won't even address the issue.

He!!, look at how well those APA guys have done in coming out of BK.

It would appear to me that they emerge from BK shortly and will have restored their contract in just a few years.

How long will it take DALPA to do that.

Oh, AND they still have pensions and got a better chunk of the company than we did. Some pretty nice work rules. See that sick leave?

There is your bar.. Set by the APA.

ALPA must get to work. As I have said before, quit trying to manage your customers expectations and go to work on the company.

MANAGE THEIRS!

gloopy

OK, keep it apples to apples then.

They [fake] ask for 82 seat scope (+4), we [fake] counter with 72 seat scope (-4) and call it a day.

If you really think them merely asking for scope relief then triggers something we have to subsequently pay to mitigate, please stay far, far away from the negotiating table because you're doing it wrong.

slowplay

There's no question that the MTA is a step in the right direction, but with the exception of pay rates even APA recognizes that it is concessionary in total cost compared to their current contract. They also gave up their entire profit sharing plan as part of the new rates. It is a huge windfall for the USAPA guys they're bringing along, however.

Again, the MTA is a good piece of work for a carrier coming out of bankruptcy. It will be nice to not have USAPA and APA pay as a boat anchor in our next negotiation.

Not exactly...better do some fact checking again.

Their pensions are frozen. Their accrual was different than hours because they had a B fund, so a guy with 25 years got 30% FAE. The APA pensions are no different than the NWA pilot pension - no new accrual and no increase in FAE. They keep what they earned based on their FAE over the last 10 years from their concessionary pay rates since May, 2003.

Their bankruptcy equity distribution is 13.5% of the company. Delta pilots got 14% of the company from bankruptcy....then got an additional 6% of the new company when we merged.

Their work rules are based on ours, but not quite as good. Their duty average is 5 hours vs. our 5+15. As to benefits, their sick leave SUCKS! They accrue 60 hours per year, and that's all they can use on a "short term" basis. To access their long term bank they have to go long term sick (more than 14 days) or exhaust their short term bank AND go to the company hired third party doctor. It takes them 4 years with no sick leave usage to accrue what the median Delta pilot gets every year. Also, they have sick leave sell back...think that'll have guys flying sick? If they go on LTD they get 60%, but it's capped at $8000 AND it only lasts two years. Then they have to prove that they can't work at any occupation at 80% of their pre-disability pay.

BTW, here's what the APA President said about your contract last year:

We congratulate the pilots at Delta for accomplishing an agreement many months before their contract’s amendable date. The Delta pilots established the foundation for this achievement several years ago by working extremely hard to establish a collaborative relationship with their management. This cooperative approach greatly assisted Delta in achieving a smooth transition during the Delta-Northwest merger. The successful merger and newly announced TA are excellent examples of the benefits that can be achieved by an engaged pilot union working collaboratively with an enlightened management team. These results typify what we hope to achieve by helping to facilitate an American Airlines-US Airways merger

jabwmu

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tsquare

What about their reserve system. From the way the American guys in my crashpad talk, they never get long call. I guess that's why they are living in the pad most of the time....

gloopy

Neither do we though except in valley months in fat categories. Both of which are rapidly going away. Going forward we might see a few top reserves get LC early in the month in large categories for a few days but 6-7 SC plus open time trips when they are tight in staffing will result in very, very little LC for anyone most of the time.