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One thing for sure, I have no idea what YOUR point is. You sure seem worried about something that you and others think will never happen. If you (and others) were as concerned about restoring our pay and work rules as you are about protected your beloved institution, this pilot group (and the profession) would not be in the shape it's in. There would be no DPA. DPA exists because ALPA has failed this group (and others) AGAIN and AGAIN. Over 1/2 of the pilot group has already figured this out.

I'll take higher pay and better work rules over unity any day. But if DALPA ever makes the first two a priority, you'll get all three.

C2K was signed June 21, 2001.

4,549 days...that's 12 YEARS, 5 months, and 13 days since the Delta MEC had RESTORATION as its goal.

4,549 days and counting and still no talk of RESTORATION from DALPA.

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Dorfman suggests to refrain from name calling and debate the issues and what do you do---in the very next post??? Continue with the name calling. I guess that's what you do when you can't debate the issues.

I admonished T several months ago about his constant name calling. He didn't take it well. He responded like a typical Type A pilot (just like 99% of us would ).

However, and to his credit, he has toned it down quite a bit and I can actually read some of his posts for content instead of having a knee-jerk attitude of dismissal. Except for the ones about Tennessee, of course.

trlaketige

[QUOTE=Gomerglideslope;1532574]I am pretty sure that the rates obtained by DALPA through 3B6 led directly to the advances in UAL's contract...and as far the "only technique your management paid attention to", that may well be, but my point was that it didn't get you very much, did it?.....But by all means, lets not let facts obfuscate a good narrative.[/QUOTE




Well, just off the top of my head, it saved my pension. How 'bout you?


Tr

FIIGMO

You can't just label anyone who questions DPA as a non supporter, nor as many claim an ALPA apologist. My objective is to get a vote done so this group can move in a positive direction. My card is in, DPA now has to produce and challenge, currently I will be a no vote because of the current leadership at DPA....

However, if the vote is for DPA, then let's go.

Thoughts,

DALPA needs to produce.

DALPA is equipped to handle the biggest threat to our jobs, sand carriers.....

DPA is not. Of course DPA may be more equipped and ready to fight for an increase in per diem or burn the house down, but we don't know unless there is a vote, how many years have you had? 4?

DPA IS not even ready to do what it takes to influence political policy. Which is what we need AS A GROUP more than anything now.... Delta would love to have a divided group before openers... But I will not allow DPA to muddle the issues and focus by being a distraction and then blame ALPA for coming up short in the next contract...and not say anything....

DPA JUST SET A VOTE! Let's move on! We will be much closer to restoration if you just set the vote!

Fiig

Carl Spackler

It is people like you FIIGMO that DPA has to account for statistically. That's why we need closer to 6,000 cards in order to be confident statistically.

That is NOT our biggest threat man. The continual eroding of our scope is the biggest threat we face. Scope erosion has effectively killed the career aspirations of THOUSANDS of professional pilots both at the majors and the regionals. And ALPA is silent. ALPA is no more powerful than the ability of pilots to write letters to their legislators. That's it. And we don't need a national organization for that. Money won't be the determinative factor in our favor because we'll never have more money than the Sheiks.

Cheap shots don't help you change hearts and minds FIIGMO.

See above. ALPA national will have zero influence on this politically. Zero. Individual pilots writing letters, maybe. ALPA national, zero.

DALPA has already given us a divided group with their removal of an elected chairman. That division is sadly not going away anytime soon. And DPA had nothing to do with it.

We can all multitask FIIGMO. What I won't allow is for DALPA to blame their divisive p!ss poor performance on DPA. If they can't do two things at once, then step aside and let others lead.

DPA setting a vote will not influence ALPA's ability to achieve restoration in any way. Therefore, no amount of anger from people already committed to vote against DPA will change the strategy of waiting for a good statistical majority.

Carl

crewdawg52

I've seen many people complain about not having a vote yet for DPA or ALPA. If they want a vote so bad now, why dont they send in a card, or renew NOW so DPA will have the votes to call an election, and vote the way you want.

Or is it down deep, they're afraid of the outcome?

Carl Spackler

I think that's exactly it. What ALPA wants more than anything is to pressure DPA into quitting without a vote. They'll use all guilt and phony pressure tactics available to ensure we don't bring it to a vote. Because with the latest law change, you don't need 50%+1 of all Delta pilots, only 50%+1 of Delta pilots who actually vote. With that in mind, ALPA has asked itself whose voters are more intense and sure to vote. ALPA knows the answer. That's why they cannot allow a vote to take place.

Carl

Bucking Bar

IMHO, someone with no life and no kids needs to go ahead and petition the NMB for a vote and take this out of the hands of the DPA, or ALPA.

I'm tempted, but my written support for ALPA would surely result in the DPA claiming it was some sort of a nefarious plot by ALPA.

If I get bored, really, really bored .... .

crewdawg52

Disreguard...............

Carl Spackler

Go ahead Bar. I'm sure the NMB would gladly accept your petition with you and your friends' cards. They wouldn't see that as an attempt to delay DPA's vote for 2 more years.

Carl