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12-02-2013, 03:35 PM
#8741
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Line flying people. Classmates, squadron mates, other airline alumni, relief pilots, captains, first officers, bar conversations, lounge conversations.
I don't think you all realize how distasteful that whole ordeal was.
Many supported him, and others, on the specific campaign promises he and they ran on.
Here we go through another round of one and done on the LEC.
12-02-2013, 04:37 PM
#8742
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I think it's pretty clear from acl's response here that our MEC has decided against "traditional bargaining" as an acceptable procedure for Delta pilots. DALPA has decided that the new way forward is to accept COLA pay increases while fully funding them with other concessions...as long as we do it early before "traditional bargaining" begins.
C2015 will be no different. DALPA will pretend to be a union by producing another survey and some tough talk as to how they're going to actually pay attention to it. But by then the terms will already have been agreed to. COLA pay raises fully funded by concessions. Then the real bargaining between management and DALPA will begin. The bargaining as to how best to jointly report what a great deal it is, the time value of money, the concessions really aren't concessions, and...how much management appreciates DALPA's "new style" of union leadership.
Carl
C2015 will be no different. DALPA will pretend to be a union by producing another survey and some tough talk as to how they're going to actually pay attention to it. But by then the terms will already have been agreed to. COLA pay raises fully funded by concessions. Then the real bargaining between management and DALPA will begin. The bargaining as to how best to jointly report what a great deal it is, the time value of money, the concessions really aren't concessions, and...how much management appreciates DALPA's "new style" of union leadership.
Carl
12-02-2013, 04:55 PM
#8744
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Perfect example of the ALPA national mentality of the ends justifies the means. Destroy a duly elected chairman with personal attack and innuendo from the first day of his election. Have the attacking people be the very people that work FOR the chairman. And in the world of ALPA national union goon politics, that's all fair game as long as you achieve your 10-9 vote.
You could possibly overlook this behavior if this no-holds-barred goon behavior was used occasionally against management, but ALPA reserves this behavior only for its own members. For management, it's nothing but accommodating management's point of view. For TWA pilots and other actual ALPA members, watch your back.
Carl
You could possibly overlook this behavior if this no-holds-barred goon behavior was used occasionally against management, but ALPA reserves this behavior only for its own members. For management, it's nothing but accommodating management's point of view. For TWA pilots and other actual ALPA members, watch your back.
Carl
You also keep advocating this "no-holds-barred goon behavior" to be used " against management"....I am ready to listen and do anything that I believe will improve our contract, but it didn't do much for you fellas in the past did it?
12-02-2013, 04:56 PM
#8745
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I can't help if you choose not to believe me Carl. Or them. But DALPA provides plenty of opportunity for the pilot group to interact with the negotiators. If you choose not to take advantage of those opportunities, that's on you. If you choose to believe they're telling lies, that's on you.
12-02-2013, 04:57 PM
#8746
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Nope, not this web board as you would likely wish. Actual people.
Line flying people. Classmates, squadron mates, other airline alumni, relief pilots, captains, first officers, bar conversations, lounge conversations.
I don't think you all realize how distasteful that whole ordeal was.
Many supported him, and others, on the specific campaign promises he and they ran on.
Here we go through another round of one and done on the LEC.
Line flying people. Classmates, squadron mates, other airline alumni, relief pilots, captains, first officers, bar conversations, lounge conversations.
I don't think you all realize how distasteful that whole ordeal was.
Many supported him, and others, on the specific campaign promises he and they ran on.
Here we go through another round of one and done on the LEC.
Like I said, a small sample.
12-02-2013, 05:00 PM
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12-02-2013, 05:20 PM
#8748
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12-02-2013, 05:31 PM
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If you knew anything about airline history, you'd know that was the only technique our management paid attention to. Also, it very likely set the stage for United's 2000 contract that raised the bar in a huge way - which allowed you to pattern above United by...a dollar. But don't let facts get in the way Gomer.
Carl
12-02-2013, 05:34 PM
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I can't help if you choose not to believe me Carl. Or them. But DALPA provides plenty of opportunity for the pilot group to interact with the negotiators. If you choose not to take advantage of those opportunities, that's on you. If you choose to believe they're telling lies, that's on you.
Carl
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