Delta Pilots Association
12-02-2013, 10:00 AM
#8722
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Pay me C2K + inflation. I'm good with that. I don't want a CAP though.
12-02-2013, 10:45 AM
#8724
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
12-02-2013, 10:45 AM
#8725
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Do a little research and recall how I voted last time. What the majority voted in favor of is our PWA, I strongly believe that you must respect that, move on, and work on the next issue. Wanting to beat a war drum is just that, where is the conversion to results? Look at all DAL has achieved with our help, would going tribal be in our best interests or does that just allow us to go back to traditional bargaining which will allow a lot of time to lapse where nothing is being added to our PWA valuation?
What does the company prefer now that they are on the S&P? Have you strategically thought about their desires and next moves? What works best to add the value we all want? Is there an outside of the box way of doing business that does not go back to traditional bargaining but also does not be overly pragmatic while still being proactive with our corporation? It is important to realize that the move you may want to make may not be the move that is best for you to make.
What does the company prefer now that they are on the S&P? Have you strategically thought about their desires and next moves? What works best to add the value we all want? Is there an outside of the box way of doing business that does not go back to traditional bargaining but also does not be overly pragmatic while still being proactive with our corporation? It is important to realize that the move you may want to make may not be the move that is best for you to make.
C2015 will be no different. DALPA will pretend to be a union by producing another survey and some tough talk as to how they're going to actually pay attention to it. But by then the terms will already have been agreed to. COLA pay raises fully funded by concessions. Then the real bargaining between management and DALPA will begin. The bargaining as to how best to jointly report what a great deal it is, the time value of money, the concessions really aren't concessions, and...how much management appreciates DALPA's "new style" of union leadership.
Carl
12-02-2013, 10:47 AM
#8726
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12-02-2013, 12:04 PM
#8727
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
I think it's pretty clear from acl's response here that our MEC has decided against "traditional bargaining" as an acceptable procedure for Delta pilots. DALPA has decided that the new way forward is to accept COLA pay increases while fully funding them with other concessions...as long as we do it early before "traditional bargaining" begins.
C2015 will be no different. DALPA will pretend to be a union by producing another survey and some tough talk as to how they're going to actually pay attention to it. But by then the terms will already have been agreed to. COLA pay raises fully funded by concessions. Then the real bargaining between management and DALPA will begin. The bargaining as to how best to jointly report what a great deal it is, the time value of money, the concessions really aren't concessions, and...how much management appreciates DALPA's "new style" of union leadership.
Carl
C2015 will be no different. DALPA will pretend to be a union by producing another survey and some tough talk as to how they're going to actually pay attention to it. But by then the terms will already have been agreed to. COLA pay raises fully funded by concessions. Then the real bargaining between management and DALPA will begin. The bargaining as to how best to jointly report what a great deal it is, the time value of money, the concessions really aren't concessions, and...how much management appreciates DALPA's "new style" of union leadership.
Carl
Did you laugh while you were typing that? Negotiators will be elected in March for the C2015 negotiations cycle, two chairman elections will take place between now and openers, and 1/3 of the MEC will have elections between now and then.
12-02-2013, 12:31 PM
#8728
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
12-02-2013, 12:44 PM
#8729
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
If it makes you feel and sleep better to believe that, then by all means do.
There is plenty of dissatisfaction.
The internet discussions are a only a portion of the constituents. Kind of a canary in the coal mine for gauging reactions.
The internet it's self makes it so much easy to organize an action to the reaction.
12-02-2013, 12:58 PM
#8730
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
If it makes you feel and sleep better to believe that, then by all means do.
There is plenty of dissatisfaction.
The internet discussions are a only a portion of the constituents. Kind of a canary in the coal mine for gauging reactions.
The internet it's self makes it so much easy to organize an action to the reaction.
There is plenty of dissatisfaction.
The internet discussions are a only a portion of the constituents. Kind of a canary in the coal mine for gauging reactions.
The internet it's self makes it so much easy to organize an action to the reaction.
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