Dorfman

Carl,

The problem for DPA is the same as for ALPA. Only 20% or so of either camp is hard core no holds barred ALPA or DPA supporters. 60% of the pilot group supports one or the other, or more likely finds one the lesser of two evils.

DPA could easily win this vote if they did a couple of things. Get TC away from being the face of DPA, he is too controversial. Find one respected guy from each pre merger group and make them the new faces of DPA. If you had a guy like KW ( NWA contract admin) as the face of the North side and one similar from the south you would see a 1000 new cards in less then 1 month with a successful vote soon to follow.

TheManager

True. Very true.

Especially in light of the recent overthrow and the junta that is now trying to install slo- uh, I mean, their candidate.

FIIGMO

Day 6

When is DPA scheduling the vote???


Day 6 no vote and again another day divided and distracted before openers..... Yes DPA just set the vote date.....

tsquare

Show me the money! Don't care how... just show me the money. I want pay restoration and I'll accept work rule restoration to that time too.

shiznit

Yep... A 'coup' of the majority. Weird how that works, a majority vote carrying a vote. Bizzare.

I'll donate $100 to the DPCF in TheManager's name if slowplay is the next MEC Chairman; TheManager puts $100 into the DPCF into name if it's someone other than slowplay. You wanna put your money where your mouth is TM?

We will need a neutral if TM is going to back up his talk with action.
I'll accept ACL, johnso, or another mutually acceptable member.

Purple Drank

Worth re-posting

slowplay

You'd better go back and do some fact checking, index.

Here's the PTIX Margins (adjusted to remove certain one time charges and special items which would make them lower) for 2008-2012:

2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

-2.80% -3.90% 4.60% 3.10% 4.30%

Here's the PTIX Margins for 1996-2000:

1996 1997 1998 1999 2000

8.90% 10.80% 12.00% 11.30% 8.00%


Your and themanaager's assertion that Delta is financially doing as well as the pre-C2K timeframe isn't based in fact.

Btw, interest expense is already figured in PTIX. And Delta lost more money in 2008 when fuel prices were $35/bbl than they did when fuel was $142/bbl. It's not fuel price alone that affects profitability, it's the price volatility AND the fuel price effect on the larger economy.

I'm hopeful that we are about to have a similar negotiating environment to C2K for C2015. Even a guy like Malone was able to extract value in that circumstance.

Oh, and if we're going to have a discussion based on facts, it would be better if you didn't ascribe false motives to others. Stick to what you "know."

index

slowplay,

If you will recall in my original post, I was quite clear about posting Q3 numbers because that's all I had access to at the time. I asked you to post the full year numbers if you had them. You did. Thanks!

What you should know is I don't give a rip whether the PTIX was higher, lower, or the same when it comes to whether or not I feel I'm due to make the same pay I made a DECADE ago. Do you think management let these numbers affect their decision whether to expect/receive multiple $millions in compensation??? I think not. The point is the company is profitable NOW---but as I've said before, this won't last forever.

I also don't care what fuel cost---I care what MY costs are, and those are going higher and higher every year. It was not that long ago that DALPA kept an oil ticker on its home page. It was there for years! What was that for, slow? Was it a tool to assist pilots in trading oil? Or was it there as a constant reminder that we need to "stay humble"? The oil ticker may be gone but the (management) mentality is still there.

I get incensed when management gives away $1B---money taken out of the PILOT's pockets---and gives it away to the shareholders as dividends and worthless stock buybacks. You, however, make no mention of this.

When RA says "don't get greedy" and SD says to "stay humble" I wonder why my union is silent when RA takes a 42% raise in one year alone and he and other execs make multiple millions off of stock options.

You and DALPA could be highlighting the eroding effects of inflation on our purchasing power. But you don't.

And what does "even a guy like Malone" mean? Refresh my memory, was he the one who stated "we don't rock the boat at DAL"?

trico

The sad deterioration of line pilot oriented ACL into the political animal that is slowplay. Give it a little more time and their posts will be indistinguishable.

FIIGMO

DPA schedule a vote yet??

Day 7, still divided............