johnso29

Because we didn't have to fly under the previous contract?? I missed going to the sim for currency by one week. I'm junior in my category.

acl65pilot

I am glad you are very clear on your support for reps that think independently. Doing so does mean that on some votes and issues they will not be voting the way they want you to. That's a fact.

As for what my positions are on issues, its simple. I am honest enough with myself that when I come across a better perspective or more facts or hard data that can change my vote or previous position that I had absent those tidbits, I will, if it is aligned with the guiding questions I use to make my decisions. Its called a process, and prepositioning ones self on how you will vote based solely on politics is not a recipe for success for this pilot group. There is a time for politics in union work but judging performance and ability to perform going forward is not one of them.

As for a morphing that you assert, if it is about restoration I think you will recall I said it would take at least two negotiating cycles, and it will. I also believe that timing of words from leadership has to be well placed and be more strategic so that the change in tone can be converted. If that irritates you or makes you lose faith, so be it.

I will tell you one thing, from a personal point of view, saying how you will do it from without being accountable is easy, having your decisions or lack of decisions and accountability affect 12,000 pilots and their families makes one take a very deliberate approach on how they conduct themselves and approach each decision. You must be smart and cannot just fight to fight. A rep has one vote, and his or her job is to get consensus of the 19 voting reps even if they cannot get everything they want. That is the hard part of leading and something a Rep or any leader must learn really quickly if they want to affect any change.

acl65pilot

My point to those questions is; are you certain it has not been discussed again since it was removed?

I have no issue with a pro con paper but there are concerns with them, I respect that and believe that if you can address those concerns you may get a product that is good for the pilots and argues a point counter point more succinctly.

johnso29

Perhaps. But almost 4 years and still no vote. So maybe not.

Carl Spackler

You know full well what he meant. Here's what he said:

See, real clear. But do you respond clearly? Nope. Instead you deflect with this non-response:

That's what I mean when I call you slippery acl. Every word has to be scrubbed and parsed to see if there's actual meaning, or just multiple escape hatches. Bill Clinton was exactly the same. It's very transparent and quite distasteful. Just say what you mean and mean what you say and you'll go far. If you keep up with this Bill Clinton behavior, you'll fizzle quickly.

Carl

Carl Spackler

No it doesn't. C2K restoration means restoring everything. Not just pay rates. A bankruptcy judge took a hell of a lot more from us than pay rates.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Exactly my point to you acl. Your vote to recall a man who'd done nothing wrong (as stated by everyone) was purely political. You were afraid of being recalled if you voted in the minority. So you threw a guy under the bus. How did that help 100,000 lives? What did that vote do for unity? How well did that align with the pilots who elected you?

It was pure politics and a$$ saving on your part. I know you're new, but you've started off badly.

I hope everyone sees this for what it is. By describing the opposition of management and fighting for gains as "errantly waving your gun", it should show everyone that acl65pilot has no intention of opposing management and fighting for anything other than what management is willing to give. Anything else is waving a gun. [insert face palm]

With guys like this, why even have a union.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I don't either. None. They serve no purpose IMO. Their feckless indecisiveness only prolongs the inevitable. Wasting time that wouldn't have been lost with a plain spoken person who can actually execute.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Again, when I ran I fully expected criticism if I was voted in the arena to serve. I also know that people frequently describe criticism they don't agree with as an attack.

Carl

Splash

Go back and read it again. You have every right to attack elected reps. You can call them names, question their character, and criticize their choices. No argument here. But just like the DPA has no record to defend, you don't have one either. I think that's telling, too.