Delta Pilots Association
11-26-2013, 02:21 PM
#8591
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 12,049
11-26-2013, 02:35 PM
#8593
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 12,049
I think that's baloney. You flat out caved in to pressure from those that threatened your recall if you didn't vote yes like the rest of your council. You were the swing vote on the MEC and you caved. Now we're going back to top-down militaristic style control. That's on you acl.
Carl
Carl
You don't know anything about this vote. I've laid some objective facts out here, you've ignored them while providing no facts of your own. Stating someone "caved" when all the Reps in C44 were under similar threats from both sides means nothing. They did their job. It was a difficult job. None of them seemed to care about the politics. The common thread I heard was, "what is best for the Delta pilots going forward."
- No one on C44 "caved." The Council worked together and reached consensus. That effort is applauded.
- We do not know who will be our next MEC Chair. Guess you are already deciding whoever it is, they will not have your support, just as our previous Chair did not have your support.
- What if the next Chair is one of your former NWA buddies? Still think this is a plot from the regionals, national, Moak, or whoever you scarecrow du jour is?
- What could Captain Roberts have accomplished after the serious shake up of the majority of important Committee Chairs? Do we really want to hobble along with a team which is not working together?
The fact you are already condemning our new Chairman before we even know who that is sums up your position.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 11-26-2013 at 02:59 PM.
11-26-2013, 02:59 PM
#8594
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
No, but you already knew that. You also already know it was the MEC that removed con papers from the Policy Manual. This is why you're perceived as a slippery politician acl.
See above. Why does it matter if you just remove it from the policy manual at will.
Finally! You've accidentally focused on the truth. An "optical divide" is seen as unacceptable by a slim majority of this MEC. We must not show an "optical divide"...even if it means keeping information from those you represent. The people who voted for you were hoping that you'd reject the old guard concept that unity requires unanimity.
Answering people's questions with a string of disjointed questions just makes it look like you're trying to baffle people with BS.
Carl
Should Reps that voted on the opposite side of each issue write the opposite position paper? Should this be discussed as part of a strategic planning meeting of the MEC? Has it been discussed and not resolved? Has it been a topic of conversation this last year? Have you asked?
Carl
11-26-2013, 03:02 PM
#8595
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
11-26-2013, 03:03 PM
#8596
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), there are many Delta pilots who do not believe that Moak's beloved "proactive engagement" will ever get us anywhere near an objective of restoration. The results to date certainly are supportive of that view. But since that is not your objective, you think you're doing just fine.
Not one of my smoother efforts at writing, but I think it sums up the problem pretty well.
11-26-2013, 03:13 PM
#8597
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
No the environment was not the same. We were not back on the S&P, not paying a dividend, not doing stock buyback and our margins were not where they are now. It is different. almost 2/3rds of the pilots voted in favor much to my surprise and guess what, you cannot change it. Time to look forward and focus on the next round.
I don't know that to be true at all. Is it a goal of yours for Delta pilots to lead the industry in every measurable contractual metric?
I would say that what we do not lead in we are close. Its always been that way too. Look at AMR pay and even UAL pay versus us. Look at our 2015 rates versus FDX and UPS too. Sure would be nice if someone would have one upped us last year, but UAL does not do that until after we are amendable.
Carl
11-26-2013, 03:17 PM
#8598
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
You're kidding, right?
Did you read the comments of the LEC 1, 20, 54 (F/O) reps during the TA ratification? Those "no" positions were available to every Delta pilot.
I'd remind you that those published and distributed statements were funded by ALPA, as was the presence of those reps on the lounges. My reps were in the lounge, explaining why they voted no at the MEC level, and would be voting no during the ratification balloting.
Please tell us you were paying attention, and read all of those "no" recommendations.
Did you read the comments of the LEC 1, 20, 54 (F/O) reps during the TA ratification? Those "no" positions were available to every Delta pilot.
I'd remind you that those published and distributed statements were funded by ALPA, as was the presence of those reps on the lounges. My reps were in the lounge, explaining why they voted no at the MEC level, and would be voting no during the ratification balloting.
Please tell us you were paying attention, and read all of those "no" recommendations.
Carl
11-26-2013, 03:22 PM
#8599
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
11-26-2013, 03:23 PM
#8600
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Road construction signholder
Posts: 2,440
That's funny. I just talked to a friend of mine (ATL 7ERB) who bids reserve on purpose and has flown three times in the past 7 months. Sign me up for that slave duty.
By the way, that is how it is in nearly every widebody category, not just some isolated one-off example.
Yes in the summertime pilots will be flying a lot, including reserves. Does that shock you? It shouldn't. For all the predictions of reserves flying to 99 hours, it just ain't a gonna happen, especially with the upcoming FAR 117. It is sort of like an 18-inning baseball game--yes it could conceivably happen every game all season long, but more than likely it might happen once or twice for the entire season, for the entire league.
By the way, that is how it is in nearly every widebody category, not just some isolated one-off example.
Yes in the summertime pilots will be flying a lot, including reserves. Does that shock you? It shouldn't. For all the predictions of reserves flying to 99 hours, it just ain't a gonna happen, especially with the upcoming FAR 117. It is sort of like an 18-inning baseball game--yes it could conceivably happen every game all season long, but more than likely it might happen once or twice for the entire season, for the entire league.
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