Seaslap8

Feckless and weak is I would describe USAPA, which this other crew reminds me of. I will take my chances getting back on top with the group that led us to C2K and paved the way for SWAPA to get where they are rather than follow DPA into ignominy.

FIIGMO

DPA schedule a vote yet?

Do we really want to be divided prior to openers?

yeah that'll show'em

DAL 88 Driver

Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Carl Spackler

Typical deflection and political non-response. TheManager's point is quite clear and you ignore it. DALPA rejected the idea of placing the pension in the names of pilots. Another ALPA union NWA rejected a similar plan. That decision at DALPA cost Delta pilots BILLIONS of dollars that are unrecoverable. But your point of trying to blame the membership for it by saying "Apparently not a majority" agreed is interesting. Where was the MEMRAT vote on the question of securing the pension in each pilot's individual name? What was the vote percentage?

The fact is that this was a strategic blunder of monumental proportion, from an entity that consistently boasts of its strategic and forward thinking. That's the point. Your performance has to match your hype...or people will notice. At Delta, 5500 pilots have noticed.

Carl

scambo1

I was one of those guys in the pension in each persons name camp in the late 90s. My perspective was that it was a layer of protection that we did not have. I volunteered for R&I for this reason...I was never called despite being on the books for 3 years.

It was a different committee chair then. He held things close. The 2 guys since have IMO, done a better job given the circumstances.

I did not understand how the union worked then...I still only have a cloudy view. However, with the benefit of hindsight only, don't we all wish the pension was in our names?

Strategic blunder, absolutely. Different time, absolutely. Not the fault of the current DALPA reps though. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

Now, we have disparate pension obligations. There should be some way to rectify those today. Not trying to stir any N vs S stuff up, but there are significant differences and inequities going forward.

hoserpilot

Carl, you really need to get your head out of your rectum. The last couple months you've gotten worse. Your attacks do nothing but alienate you from the masses. Were you beaten up as a child? Does being a cyber bully make you feel better? Maybe you should've gotten a chance at the shrinks chair. Maybe then you could've expressed your feelings of anger and disappointment. Get off of ACL's back. I was there and watched all the crap go down at the recall. You would be singing a different tune if you were there too. Why? Because then you could've sat 10 feet from ACL and heard everything that was said. Then ACL could've come back to you shaking his head in frustration and explained to you what was really going on. I learned a lot that day. Made me respect ACL even more. You on the other hand have lost mine. I've agreed and disagreed with you in the past. Now your just a ranting childish bully grasping at straws.

DAL 88 Driver

hoser, I think you're overdoing it with Carl. I completely understand Carl's frustration with ACL. When ACL ran for rep the first time, I spent a lot of time getting to know his positions on the issues and I strongly supported him. The second time he ran, I would not even remotely consider voting for him. Why? Because of exactly the kind of stuff Carl is talking about. IMO, ACL is a typical politician type who's position on an issue is whichever way the wind is blowing at the time. Sorry, but I call it the way I see it.

hoserpilot

But why does Carl have to be such a jerk? Even Purple is nice now and people listen. I guess I'm just sick of him coming on here and being so rude. It does nothing to help his message. As far as ACL, you live near him now. Invite him over and have a chat. I'll have to disagree with you on the ACL recall issue. I sat behind him. If I wasn't there to listen to his comments and watch and hear the whole MEC I probably would agree with you.

johnso29

Nope. Because they don't have enough cards. Still.............almost 4 years later.

DAL 88 Driver

I don't see him (Carl) as being a "jerk." He's very direct with his criticisms. Maybe I would say a few things with a little more tact, but I don't see the essence of what he's saying as being wrong or inappropriate. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Anyway, Carl is perfectly capable of defending himself and doesn't need me. As for ACL, I was done with him long before this recall issue. I'm a big believer in being straight forward with people and letting the chips fall where they may. I have no use for politicians.