Purple Drank

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Especially the "lead" part. I'd love to see some leadership at ALPA, rather than a junta of self-preserving bureaucrats set on following the politically expedient path of least resistance in an effort to keep their lucrative fiefdoms intact.

Carl Spackler

Bump to this post right here because it's so important. This is yet another example of the worst strategic thinking and decision making. That decision to not put the pensions in the pilots' names cost Delta pilots BILLIONS of dollars that will never be recovered.

When will this kind of monumental strategic failure be dealt with by firing the most incompetent vendor in my memory...ALPA.

Absolutely unbelievable.

Carl

Carl Spackler

But you were in the position to decide outcomes of the recall vote acl. And you did the easy, weak-kneed politically expedient thing. You caved in to pressure from your council to be a team player. You were the swing vote. You voted to continue the Moak/Special Committee philosophy of a top-down autocracy. We had a chance. Many junior pilots voted for you thinking they were voting for change. You chose to go along and get along. It didn't surprise me one bit.

Carl

finis72

Nice Carl, maybe he saw a reason to remove the chairman. You try to categorize everybody for your DPA agenda and accuse your fellow pilots of not being able to think independently. You're a real tool.

acl65pilot

Carl;

Has any Rep stated clearly to the rest of the MEC that they want the special committee pulled down? Have your Reps communicated that to you? To your council?

I have never had issue making a decision based upon how I see the issue and if you want to categorize how any Rep voted in to some sub-group, on any issue, far be it for me to stop you. I would also state your beliefs are flat out wrong, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that.

acl65pilot

Is it in the policy manual? Should the policy manual state it to be on all issues or just large MEMRAT issues? Should it be from a MEC level or a LEC level? Should that decision be made issue by issue or generalized? Would doing a con paper on all or many issues immediately provide a optical divide in the MEC because the authors of a Pro or a Con paper be the same Reps issue after issue? Should Reps that voted on the opposite side of each issue write the opposite position paper? Should this be discussed as part of a strategic planning meeting of the MEC? Has it been discussed and not resolved? Has it been a topic of conversation this last year? Have you asked?

acl65pilot

No the environment was not the same. We were not back on the S&P, not paying a dividend, not doing stock buyback and our margins were not where they are now. It is different. almost 2/3rds of the pilots voted in favor much to my surprise and guess what, you cannot change it. Time to look forward and focus on the next round.


Sounds like a great idea and I am sure that is a goal of every Rep, but a lack of a pension will always be a gotcha in a statement like that. I would say that what we do not lead in we are close. Its always been that way too. Look at AMR pay and even UAL pay versus us. Look at our 2015 rates versus FDX and UPS too. Sure would be nice if someone would have one upped us last year, but UAL does not do that until after we are amendable.

Splash

You're kidding, right?

Did you read the comments of the LEC 1, 20, 54 (F/O) reps during the TA ratification? Those "no" positions were available to every Delta pilot.

I'd remind you that those published and distributed statements were funded by ALPA, as was the presence of those reps on the lounges. My reps were in the lounge, explaining why they voted no at the MEC level, and would be voting no during the ratification balloting.

Please tell us you were paying attention, and read all of those "no" recommendations.

Splash

When you post all-out attacks on someone who is in the arena like this, would you please add a disclaimer to remind readers that you have no voting record or history of having to make decisions as an elected rep?

acl65pilot

It ain't slippery, its a real question. What does he mean?






That's not just slippery, that's just slimey. First, NWA was unlucky in that we were not up to pattern above DAL and UAL until after 9/11. That's why our rates were lower. Second, we had significantly better work rules in other areas that moderated the differences in pay rates. Regardless, this a stupid and divisive comment by someone who should no better. [/quote]

Restoration means a return to previous rates. Did you not get 10% after 9-11 outside of section 6 that many tout? Have those rates been meet in this agreement? If so that is restoring your rates? Serious question.

See Carl, many issues cannot be decided by politics because 100,000 lives are directly affected by what the MEC decides. That does not mean small bites to make sure you never get fat, but it means that you don't errantly waive your gun because it makes you feel good. It means that even if you politically would vote one way, that responsibility to whom your represent goes beyond your personal politics when you see a real issue. Like it, love it, or hate it, that is what leading means to me.