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11-24-2013, 04:01 PM
#8501
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Case in point to invalidate your statement- there have been zero USAPA gains or changes since he was fired. Nada. Same ol swirling in the toilet...the AA merger is the only light in the tunnel out of it. USAPA sucks because of who makes it up. Had they remained in ALPA, they still would be sucking hard.
11-24-2013, 04:24 PM
#8502
Gets Weekends Off
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It would be preferable to see them stand up and be insistent and fight for it. If we unified and used all the leverage we legally could and attained it, GREAT!
If we did not attain restoration, then we left everything on the field and we gave it 100%
I am ashamed that DALPA hasn't even tried.
If DPA prevails and they try for restoration, that is more than DALPA has done in this regard. If they succeed, excellent. If they fall short, they made the effort. It won't be a failure as much as not trying and delivering a full court sales job on 4-8-3-3 is.
11-24-2013, 04:40 PM
#8503
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Case in point to invalidate your statement- there have been zero USAPA gains or changes since he was fired. Nada. Same ol swirling in the toilet...the AA merger is the only light in the tunnel out of it. USAPA sucks because of who makes it up. Had they remained in ALPA, they still would be sucking hard.
11-24-2013, 04:41 PM
#8504
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This is a giant revision of events.
We can thank UAL for negotiating that contract.
Jim Goodwin offered the pilots a 48% increase and 28% up front to get them flying again. They were desperate to restore their summer schedule that was devastated when the pilots elected to spend more time with family rather than voluntarily picking up open time.
Thus, the pattern bargaining bar was set and DALPA topped the UAL bar by a fraction in all categories.
This was on of the reasons for the no votes as those voters thought we should have done better than a dollar or so difference in rates.
11-24-2013, 04:53 PM
#8505
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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USAPA sucks because of who is their makeup... The fault cannot be just dropped on Seham. You're reaching to try to place the blame on him. I don't like him as a lawyer, and I think he only further hurts the DPA's case, but they have continued to suck long after his departure. That further negates your point. The only gains they have on the horizon is their merger JCBA with AA.
11-24-2013, 05:05 PM
#8507
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The only gains ua/co have had were their jcba that took years. Aa/us (both non-ALPA) have similar with their merger...and 99% of that legwork was done by APA.
USAPA sucks because of who is their makeup... The fault cannot be just dropped on Seham. You're reaching to try to place the blame on him. I don't like him as a lawyer, and I think he only further hurts the DPA's case, but they have continued to suck long after his departure. That further negates your point. The only gains they have on the horizon is their merger JCBA with AA.
USAPA sucks because of who is their makeup... The fault cannot be just dropped on Seham. You're reaching to try to place the blame on him. I don't like him as a lawyer, and I think he only further hurts the DPA's case, but they have continued to suck long after his departure. That further negates your point. The only gains they have on the horizon is their merger JCBA with AA.
Retro?? It became effective 6 months before the amendable date.
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