Delta Pilots Association
11-23-2013, 02:04 PM
#8461
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Delta MEC Update 13-03
“One of the major objectives of this Section 6 negotiation, as determined by the survey, was to increase the amount of flying done by the mainline. While scope is arguably the most complicated section of the PWA, the goal was quite simple: Seek to improve the ratio of flying done by the mainline, increase mainline block hours, and increase mainline aircraft.”
So our goals were to:
Improve the ratio of flying done by mainline versus DCI
Increase mainline block hours
Increase mainline aircraft
There are a number of ways to measure these objectives. In this case, we use:
Block hour ratio
Available seat mile (ASM) ratio
Domestic fleet count
Scheduled seat ratio
Scheduled seat count
“One of the major objectives of this Section 6 negotiation, as determined by the survey, was to increase the amount of flying done by the mainline. While scope is arguably the most complicated section of the PWA, the goal was quite simple: Seek to improve the ratio of flying done by the mainline, increase mainline block hours, and increase mainline aircraft.”
So our goals were to:
Improve the ratio of flying done by mainline versus DCI
Increase mainline block hours
Increase mainline aircraft
There are a number of ways to measure these objectives. In this case, we use:
Block hour ratio
Available seat mile (ASM) ratio
Domestic fleet count
Scheduled seat ratio
Scheduled seat count
Carl
11-23-2013, 02:26 PM
#8462
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,308
I have always paid dues to the union and will always be a member in good standing.
The reason I no longer pay dues to ALPA is because I and my fellow pilots finally admitted a hard reality... Our ALPA reps were ignoring, limiting, and preventing pilot votes. ALPA National never had any concern for us (why would they? They had too many dues groups to keep happy..). And our ALPA local leaders had too many temptations to chase after $400K ALPA National jobs, rather than listen to the line pilot if we doubted something that ALPA National told us was in our best interests. We had an opinion and ALPA didn't allow us to have it.
We went to the NMB and secured for ourselves the right to vote about that! Some of us wanted to keep the ALPA status quo, but a majority did not.
The reason I no longer pay dues to ALPA is because I and my fellow pilots finally admitted a hard reality... Our ALPA reps were ignoring, limiting, and preventing pilot votes. ALPA National never had any concern for us (why would they? They had too many dues groups to keep happy..). And our ALPA local leaders had too many temptations to chase after $400K ALPA National jobs, rather than listen to the line pilot if we doubted something that ALPA National told us was in our best interests. We had an opinion and ALPA didn't allow us to have it.
We went to the NMB and secured for ourselves the right to vote about that! Some of us wanted to keep the ALPA status quo, but a majority did not.
11-23-2013, 02:44 PM
#8464
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
11-23-2013, 02:47 PM
#8465
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
Does that make any sense to you?
Hang in there, johnso. You'll get there someday.
11-23-2013, 04:16 PM
#8466
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,308
11-23-2013, 06:53 PM
#8468
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
I'd run along back to telling others in your threads how binding isn't binding.
11-24-2013, 06:31 AM
#8469
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: ATL 7ER A
Posts: 308
It's worse than that. A DAL A320 captain makes more per hour than the combined CREW in an LCC A320. In six years, USAPA has done nothing for its own pilots, and even managed to make the lives of other labor groups worse for the purposes of pattern bargaining.
When they negotiated a new contract coming out of BK, the APA agreed to hourly rates based on metrics for "industry average." Unfortunately that average included LCC rates.
So nice job getting that merger, it was the only way USAPA was going to get anything outside of a merry trip to the NMB. I'm sure the American pilots will be thrilled to meet the geniuses who cost them a few boat payments' worth of negotiating leverage.
The APA has never led the industry in anything, excepting that fine for $45.5 million. I think in both cases it comes down to governance; it is easier for fear mongers and false prophets to get elected on either property, and the skills needed to win an election rarely complement those needed to actually run a union.
The coming seniority list integration will be the proof of this, and I hope they find a way to turn their ship into the wind and get another contract in ten years. Every airline pilot just dodged a bullet with the DOJ settlement.
When they negotiated a new contract coming out of BK, the APA agreed to hourly rates based on metrics for "industry average." Unfortunately that average included LCC rates.
So nice job getting that merger, it was the only way USAPA was going to get anything outside of a merry trip to the NMB. I'm sure the American pilots will be thrilled to meet the geniuses who cost them a few boat payments' worth of negotiating leverage.
The APA has never led the industry in anything, excepting that fine for $45.5 million. I think in both cases it comes down to governance; it is easier for fear mongers and false prophets to get elected on either property, and the skills needed to win an election rarely complement those needed to actually run a union.
The coming seniority list integration will be the proof of this, and I hope they find a way to turn their ship into the wind and get another contract in ten years. Every airline pilot just dodged a bullet with the DOJ settlement.
11-24-2013, 06:47 AM
#8470
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Once you learn to let go of the anger, and look at this from a realistic standpoint, then you'll understand. DPA claims that they will have more money.
How much interest Seham is charging?
Who will pay the bill?
How much MORE will the services ALPA provides us cost DPA members?
Has Seham and his firm ever negotiated a successful airline labor contract?
Why was the Seham firm fired by APA, SWAPA, and USAPA?
Why did DPA blindly accuse DALPA of hacking the DPA website without any proof? But they'll be immune from lawsuits?
What's the interest rate on DPA's $1 million line of credit?
DPA is claiming they'll have more money, without even factoring in unknown costs. And I've yet to see a successful independent pilot union outside of SWAPA. Too risky for me PD.
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