crewdawg52

Bucking Bar, you and ALPA remind me of Pelosi and Obama. ALPA and Obozo are always right, and tell no lies.

Carl Spackler

If it was unintentional, you have the crew fill out an ASAP. If it was intentional (and DPA or any union is the representing agent), then you get prostan involved and tell him that he's risking his job if he continues the behavior of violating FAR's. Nobody can help a pilot who intentionally violates FAR's.

Assuming DPA is the representing union, you tell the guy to call in sick right this second, or you will do it for him. Then you call DPA and have the guy forcibly put into the HIMS program.

It appears nobody disagrees with that. Except Bucking Bar who blames this on DPA for existing.

That's not ALPA's call, DPA's call or your call to make. It's the US attorney's call to make. I would submit a letter to the US attorney on their behalf asking to go easy on them.

Sorry, can't let you do the whole "everybody's at fault here" deflection. DPA didn't break Federal law. Nobody at DPA wants this so bad that we'll break laws to get it. So no, only one side has done pretty stupid things.

The best thing that can happen is for DALPA to listen to what Kingsley Roberts was trying to tell them and shut down the Special Committee. Then DALPA should focus on being a union instead of a mouthpiece for Delta management. If DALPA would just do that, DPA could not be successful in the vote. But DALPA refuses to do this. Instead, they're hell bent on the tactics of Saul Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals.

It's sad to see DALPA slowly commit suicide.

Carl

crewdawg52

No it's not.

Dorfman

I think you missed my point. Who ever hacked the DPA site is clearly at fault. However throughout this entire DPA vs ALPA there has been a lot of stupidity on both sides.

Carl Spackler

Real example? In who's world is that a real example. You know as well as I do that an attorney CANNOT lie for a client he knows to be guilty. The attorney can be disbarred and imprisoned for obstruction of justice. That's why attorney's could never say: "yeah, he did it". Instead, they ask the judge to be removed from the case, and then tell the client: "don't confess to your next attorney you idiot."

Again, you KNOW better here Bar. You're purposely conflating an attorney with a union for the purposes of confusing this discussion. An attorney has attorney/client privileges so they have the right to defend a guilty client, but they still can't lie for him. A union has NO SUCH attorney/client privilege and cannot behave this way with a client who has broken Federal law. ALPA would never even think of putting itself in criminal jeopardy by defending a pilot who has broken Federal law.

Exactly correct. Up to BUT NOT INCLUDING breaking the law. When that happens, the only thing a union can do for the guy is get him lawyered up and hope for the best for him.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Nobody but you thinks that Bar. DPA supporters do not believe a union has the right or obligation to participate in or promote harming the pilots in their care. There are no pilots yet in the DPA's care. DPA is not a union yet. DPA has no legal rights whatsoever to behave as a union yet. But even if we were the union, you CANNOT just fix the intentional breaking of Federal law by agreeing to keep things quiet. That is conspiracy to obstruct justice and would put all parties in criminal jeopardy.

I know you know this, but you're doing what any good far left radical does. I get that. I actually hope you continue this behavior, because I'm confident people see what you're trying to do here, and I must confess you're good at it. You're paying strict attention to Rules for Radicals. You never answer a question that would make you have to admit your fallacious statements, you continuously attack, and you blame the victim's existence for the reason this happened. I don't think the average airline pilot appreciates this level of dissembling. I think it works against you and your Special Committee handlers. But I know you'll keep it up to the bitter end.

DPA did exactly what is required under law. You desperately want DPA to be part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice. And I can already hear you now if DPA was stupid enough to have done this: "Wow, unbelievable. DPA conspires to obstruct justice by trying to cover up the breaking of Federal law...and these guys think they were ready to represent Delta pilots over ALPA? Enjoy your jail time boys."

You're as transparent as a pane of glass Bar. It'll be interesting to see if you and your handlers can pull of an Obama-style coup of blaming Republicans and George W. Bush for all mistakes made by your crew.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Bucking Bar is playing right out of their rule book. It's an extremely cynical strategy of assuming everyone is a low information voter, and then misinform constituents into believing the other side is out to harm them. It's worked for Obama twice now, but the lies eventually catch up with you. It's happening now for Obama, it's happening now for DALPA.

Carl

FIIGMO

So when is the VOTE.........

GET IT DONE


That way we can focus on what is important..... our jobs......

Tired of the Johnson envy!!!!

Bucking Bar

Carl,

I've never once said that whatever happened to the DPA's web site was right, legal, or smart. Such action was wrong, potentially illegal and dumb. It was also probably more of a prank than the Federal Case the DPA wants to make of it. If I would have advised against "playing games" with the DPA, simply because the DPA leadership is volatile and does just what they are doing.

Calling the Feds over a prank is extremely bad judgement. It smacks of the petty vindictiveness and lack of strategic thought that has imperiled the DPA movement from it's inception.

DAL 88 Driver

Hahahaha! That's a good one, Bar! Union doing "management jobs." Yeah, that would NEVER happen with DALPA...
ROTFL