Delta Pilots Association
11-12-2013, 06:15 AM
#8201
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
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I think we share a big part of the blame. Primarily because of the success of our company and the prominence of our pilot group in the industry, we've been in a leadership position within our profession. We've been the first pilot group post-bankruptcy to be in a position to define how we will recover. And the "definition" we've given is that the extremely unreasonable cuts we took in bankruptcy were a reset, establishing a new baseline from which we only expect "reasonable" improvements going forward. How could we set a bar like that and NOT damage the others?
11-12-2013, 07:55 AM
#8202
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
I think we share a big part of the blame. Primarily because of the success of our company and the prominence of our pilot group in the industry, we've been in a leadership position within our profession. We've been the first pilot group post-bankruptcy to be in a position to define how we will recover. And the "definition" we've given is that the extremely unreasonable cuts we took in bankruptcy were a reset, establishing a new baseline from which we only expect "reasonable" improvements going forward. How could we set a bar like that and NOT damage the others?
By not exceeding our rates, how much damage have they done to us and our next contract negotiations? Pattern bargaining is alive and well in this industry.
Denny
11-12-2013, 08:12 AM
#8203
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Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: ATL 7ER A
Posts: 308
I think we share a big part of the blame. Primarily because of the success of our company and the prominence of our pilot group in the industry, we've been in a leadership position within our profession. We've been the first pilot group post-bankruptcy to be in a position to define how we will recover. And the "definition" we've given is that the extremely unreasonable cuts we took in bankruptcy were a reset, establishing a new baseline from which we only expect "reasonable" improvements going forward. How could we set a bar like that and NOT damage the others?
11-12-2013, 09:00 AM
#8204
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Position: C560XL/XLS/XLS+
Posts: 1,278
I think we share a big part of the blame. Primarily because of the success of our company and the prominence of our pilot group in the industry, we've been in a leadership position within our profession. We've been the first pilot group post-bankruptcy to be in a position to define how we will recover. And the "definition" we've given is that the extremely unreasonable cuts we took in bankruptcy were a reset, establishing a new baseline from which we only expect "reasonable" improvements going forward. How could we set a bar like that and NOT damage the others?
11-12-2013, 09:38 AM
#8205
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Wow. I understand your passion about getting back to where we were but to blame us (even a little) for other unions not being able to exceed what we have (as far as compensation) goes a bit over the top. I do not see the logic there.
By not exceeding our rates, how much damage have they done to us and our next contract negotiations? Pattern bargaining is alive and well in this industry.
Denny
By not exceeding our rates, how much damage have they done to us and our next contract negotiations? Pattern bargaining is alive and well in this industry.
Denny
With that kind of bar set by the pilot group that is supposedly leading the profession out of the abyss, why would you expect them to be able to exceed our rates?
If pattern bargaining is alive and well... based on our performance in an environment of extreme profits, we're screwed (and probably so is everybody else).
11-12-2013, 09:40 AM
#8206
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
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Minus 10 points for reading comprehension.
11-12-2013, 09:57 AM
#8207
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
11-12-2013, 10:15 AM
#8208
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,308
I think we share a big part of the blame. Primarily because of the success of our company and the prominence of our pilot group in the industry, we've been in a leadership position within our profession. We've been the first pilot group post-bankruptcy to be in a position to define how we will recover. And the "definition" we've given is that the extremely unreasonable cuts we took in bankruptcy were a reset, establishing a new baseline from which we only expect "reasonable" improvements going forward. How could we set a bar like that and NOT damage the others?
11-12-2013, 11:14 AM
#8209
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 69
In the case of UAL/CAL they wasted time & energy fighting with each other when they should have been forcing the execs to give them the contract they deserve.
11-12-2013, 11:23 AM
#8210
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
How are we the problem when our new rates were a 45% increase for many at United and American and Airways weren't (and still aren't) even in the same zip code? We weren't the first ones to take massive paycuts either, the bar had already been lowered drastically. I'm angry when I look at what I made 12 years ago and compare it to now but blaming us for the sad state of the industry is wrong.
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