Carl Spackler

News for you bud: 5,421 Delta pilots have active DPA cards. Neither side has a large majority.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I think we both handled that period equally well with regard to looking out for our junior members. NWALPA may even have done a slightly better job. You don't know what you're talking about.

Is insulting your fNWA brothers your idea of forming a stronger bond?

Like the CVG mafia versus the rest of DALPA?

Carl

Carl Spackler

You're one of the newer thugs...aren't you.

Carl

TANSTAAFL

You know if DPA gets an election, even in the highly unlikely event they win, it will be probably close to half a year before there is a turn over, more likely they'll just lick their wounds and go home and nothing has changed...

On the other hand if TC and the other Einsteins running the DPA pull their collective heads out of their a$$'s and told their 5600 plus supporters to simply get out the vote (not even who) we'd probably see a major shift in the direction this ship takes starting next Monday.

scambo1

DPA = DALPA minus ALPA

For me, I'm not a card carrying DPA guy. What I am is a guy who sees absolutely zero threat from changing representation...zero. No fear.

I attempt to see the facts myself. The unproven sketchy characters have IMO pulled off a monumental task with very limited funds. They aren't done yet and frankly I wish it would come to a vote so it could be behind us regardless of how it turns out.

Sink r8

Carl can't help but overreach. There are plenty of people that cruise these boards to sell a product, and Carl is probably the most prolific.

I think he's found a case of ALPA guys getting caught in a sketchy endeavor, and right after he cleans up the mess in his shorts, he's going to milk this for all it's worth, on two threads. You can't really blame him, he's got no actual message about the product he's trying to sell.

It may actually be that Carl is truly motivated by what's best for the group. I often wonder whether Carl actually believes what he sells, but considering he's one week attacking Roberts on the scourge effort to help DPA, and one week defending him to help friends against the recall effort, there is no way to tell.

Just hang on while he targets you as an apologist. He will move on to the next person that doesn't pray at his self-absorbed altar soon enough. Right now, he seems to have a point about the four in C108 grossly overreaching, and he's able to ride the letter of a rep that actually seems well-intentioned. He's like a dog finally thrown a bone, and he's got to chew. It's not often that he can ride someone else's issue, and look like he actually has a legitimate point.

Seems like we have a couple of guys demonstrating very poor judgment within ALPA, and revealing a paternalistic streak that looks very out of touch. I don't know this Ryan guy, but it seems as though they picked on the wrong person. Three wrongs don't make a right: the ridiculous actions of one faction, or the irrational behavior of the want-to-be's, don't justify heavy-handed actions by the union I support. C108 will decide whether or not to repudiate their actions, but it doesn't look good from afar.

Carl Spackler

The post decertification elections will yield the new leadership much sooner than 6 months.

There is no question we could do that. Some have actually thought we should do that. I (and most DPA members) completely disagree with that because it entirely misses the point. What good does changing the DALPA leadership do when the ALPA president is running it like a dictatorship? Up to and including signing documents that amend our PWA without any DALPA involvement whatsoever.

The key here is not necessarily changing the leaders of our local union. The key is to remove our affiliation with a broken and morally lost national association.

Carl

Hawaii50

Having experienced both sides I do know what I'm talking about. Your very specific seniority group being probably the worst offenders and that goes back a long way.

I know anyone who doesn't agree with you is a thug. The only agenda spewing thugs I see here though are you, Purple, and couple other DPA guys. A few guys have the sac to call you out and you can't stand it. Your used to running roughshod over your fellow pilots. Hard habit to break I guess.

Hawaii50

I respect you and your opinion. I disagree that DPA would be DALPA without ALPA though and I think even the small risk of a group with an agenda pushing their plans through is too much.

Carl Spackler

Just been calling them as I see them since I got here. Since one of the ALPA talking points is to equate DPA supporters with salesmen selling a [insert insult here], I'm interested that you call me a prolific seller. I'd like for you to find a single post of mine where I have ever advised or urged anyone to sign a DPA card. I don't believe I've ever done that one time. The only advice I've ever given here is for people to stay away from the sales pitches and pay attention to their own logical minds.

The attempt at humor doesn't really work in your sentence. Regarding the sales allegation, see above.

With regard to the sales allegation, see above. I criticized Roberts for sending the "scourge" letter because it showed an over-emotional amateur in full fledged panic mode. I said exactly that at the time, even though I didn't know then that ALPA national wrote the "scourge" letter. I defended Roberts over the recall because the process was being subverted by Moak proxies who threatened LEC members with recall unless they voted Moak's way. It's entirely consistent.

Your over-emotional attacks are clouding your message. Do you actually have a message?

Carl