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11-06-2013, 02:22 AM

#8041

Pineapple Guy

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

No, the maker of the "scourge" comment hasn't been removed from office. The "scourge" comment and the entire "scourge" letter was written by ALPA national and given to DALPA to deliver to Delta pilots.

Carl

Carl, it was a Chairman's Letter, signed by the Chairman. You can blame a lot of things on ALPA National if you want to, but not this one. KR signed it.

11-06-2013, 03:11 AM

#8042

NWA320pilot

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Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

For one, the economy is still in a world of hurt. Do we really want to choke the "golden goose" only to lose everything again? Small, incremental gains that the company can sustain. This is the new way we should be thinking. If a line pilot can't live off of $100,000 dollars/yr then he/she needs to re-evaluate what their spending habits are!

This style of thinking is exactly why we are still well below where we should be compensation wise. Manage expectations is the new rule.......

11-06-2013, 04:16 AM

#8043

johnso29

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Originally Posted by flybywire44

DPA is critically outspoken against regional outsourcing.

This is exciting!

Delta Pilots Association - Videos - DPA LAUNCH*VIDEO

Of course they are. It's another hot topic. And more empty promises from DPA. Once again, they'll somehow magically fix it all.

11-06-2013, 04:17 AM

#8044

orvil

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Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

All I was saying is there is no reason a family cannot live on $100,000/yr. Most pilots at Delta make more than that. It's when we get greedy we end up putting a financial strain on the company and find ourselves right back in bankruptcy court. Small bites.

My career is not a charity. It's just business. My business.

Financial strain on the Company is RA's business, not mine.

I fly airplanes. I do it well. I'm worth a lot more than I currently receive.

Quit trying to be a manager, it's not your job.

That is all.

11-06-2013, 05:09 AM

#8045

DAL 88 Driver

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Carl, it was a Chairman's Letter, signed by the Chairman. You can blame a lot of things on ALPA National if you want to, but not this one. KR signed it.

And ALPA National wrote it.

11-06-2013, 05:09 AM

#8046

DAL 88 Driver

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Originally Posted by orvil

Perfect! That says it about as well as anything I've seen.

11-06-2013, 05:14 AM

#8047

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Originally Posted by orvil

^^^ Required APCF recall memory item.

11-06-2013, 05:17 AM

#8048

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

Think whatever you want. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. My personal opinions in now way represent ALPA in any sort of official capacity. I'm just one person like you.

Fair enough, I'll take your word for it.

11-06-2013, 05:47 AM

#8049

Carl Spackler

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Position: 747-400 Captain

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge

psssst. Go back a page and read FTB's take on this guy.

Even us ALPA apologists aren't this stupid! (<---joke) He was making some progress boiling everyone's blood, but I think he may have pushed it too far into the realm on absurdity. Nice try though Wiley

Wiley is just being himself Leine. Quite often you ALPA apologists say things like: "I want pay restoration too but..." and: "yes we're worth more and I want more too, every Delta pilot agrees with that but..."

I've always said that wasn't true. I've always said that as part of the Delta interview process, we have an extraordinarily high number of guys that believe in two things. First is to NEVER want more than mother Delta is willing to give (just like the other non-union employees). Second is to do EXACTLY what your "strong leader" tells you to do without question. Just be a good soldier. I appreciate this guys honesty because he speaks for a shockingly high number of rocking chair victims.

Carl

11-06-2013, 05:59 AM

#8050

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

If I were to say: "If Richard Anderson can't live off of $100,000 dollars/yr then he needs to re-evaluate his spending habits!"...what would you say?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

You are certainly welcome to apply for the job of CEO at Delta. If you are hired then you will have the ability to make much more money as well.

Excellent. Now we're getting somewhere. At least you realize that your previous post touting the importance of someone's salary being based on their ability to live within their means was just goofy. Now that you've rejected your previous attempt at rational thought, lets go to the next step:

If Richard was hired at a certain pay level because of his skill and education, and then 50% of his pay was taken against his will in bankruptcy, would he not have the right to fight for pay restoration while he still worked here? Would he only be allowed your "small steps? Would you advise him to shut up and live within his means?

Carl