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11-05-2013, 07:31 PM
#8031
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
You may be on to something, FTB. Wiley's posts are definitely reflective of the thinking within DALPA. But even those guys have enough SA not to say that in public.
Wiley, if you're trying to help DPA there are better ways to do it. Leave the manipulative political stuff to DALPA.
Wiley, if you're trying to help DPA there are better ways to do it. Leave the manipulative political stuff to DALPA.
11-05-2013, 07:33 PM
#8032
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 129
For one, the economy is still in a world of hurt. Do we really want to choke the "golden goose" only to lose everything again? Small, incremental gains that the company can sustain. This is the new way we should be thinking. If a line pilot can't live off of $100,000 dollars/yr then he/she needs to re-evaluate what their spending habits are!
If push came to shove, I could live on 20k. But, I wouldn't drone over thousands of miles of ocean in the middle of the night in a two hundred million dollar jet for that. Hell, if I would have stayed at the regional I came from, I would have broken the $100,000 barrier over a decade ago.
I really would like to know your background, because that is not a perspective I hear out on the line.
11-05-2013, 07:40 PM
#8033
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: DAL FO
Posts: 2,169
You're not on that new special committee are you? Are you getting FPL to post here? Management? Wouldn't that be ironic; responding to "The Manager".
If push came to shove, I could live on 20k. But, I wouldn't drone over thousands of miles of ocean in the middle of the night in a two hundred million dollar jet for that. Hell, if I would have stayed at the regional I came from, I would have broken the $100,000 barrier over a decade ago.
I really would like to know your background, because that is not a perspective I hear out on the line.
If push came to shove, I could live on 20k. But, I wouldn't drone over thousands of miles of ocean in the middle of the night in a two hundred million dollar jet for that. Hell, if I would have stayed at the regional I came from, I would have broken the $100,000 barrier over a decade ago.
I really would like to know your background, because that is not a perspective I hear out on the line.
Even us ALPA apologists aren't this stupid! (<---joke) He was making some progress boiling everyone's blood, but I think he may have pushed it too far into the realm on absurdity. Nice try though Wiley
11-05-2013, 08:28 PM
#8035
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
No....that's the way the company should be thinking.
I want my agent to expend its efforts figuring out how to make us more money...not convincing us we need to seek less in order to subsidize the dividend/executives' bonuses/next aircraft order/etc.
Perhaps Bob Wiley is an agent provocateur planted here by the DPA to make ALPA look even more buffoonish. If so, I don't approve of that tactic. There are enough ALPA operatives here without sending in another clown. (paging Rather B. Fishin and his phallic fixation).
However, Wiley's tone-deafness is ALPA writ large. He probably believes every nocturnal emission from his keyboard.
I want my agent to expend its efforts figuring out how to make us more money...not convincing us we need to seek less in order to subsidize the dividend/executives' bonuses/next aircraft order/etc.
Perhaps Bob Wiley is an agent provocateur planted here by the DPA to make ALPA look even more buffoonish. If so, I don't approve of that tactic. There are enough ALPA operatives here without sending in another clown. (paging Rather B. Fishin and his phallic fixation).
However, Wiley's tone-deafness is ALPA writ large. He probably believes every nocturnal emission from his keyboard.
It is pretty much fact pilots are cheap as a majority. However, even if my hypothesis is true, I have Never met one that would be happy with less pay and benefits.
Last edited by TheManager; 11-05-2013 at 08:41 PM.
11-05-2013, 08:43 PM
#8036
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
For one, the economy is still in a world of hurt. Do we really want to choke the "golden goose" only to lose everything again? Small, incremental gains that the company can sustain. This is the new way we should be thinking. If a line pilot can't live off of $100,000 dollars/yr then he/she needs to re-evaluate what their spending habits are!
Weak. Define your description of the economy being in a world of hurt?
It is 2013, not 2008. Try reading a WSJ or IBD. You'd realize DAL is wildly profitable.
11-05-2013, 08:53 PM
#8037
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Scarebus B
Posts: 41
All I was saying is there is no reason a family cannot live on $100,000/yr. Most pilots at Delta make more than that. It's when we get greedy we end up putting a financial strain on the company and find ourselves right back in bankruptcy court. Small bites.
11-05-2013, 08:54 PM
#8038
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Scarebus B
Posts: 41
You are certainly welcome to apply for the job of CEO at Delta. If you are hired then you will have the ability to make much more money as well.
11-05-2013, 08:56 PM
#8039
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Scarebus B
Posts: 41
Hey Bob, I'm going to have to throw a flag here.
Your posts are too over the top to be legit. Even the most ardent of ALPA supporters doesn't go where you've gone.
So look, if you created an account to help push people towards the DPA on behalf of the DPA, it's becoming a little too obvious. Yes we hide our names but the union still knows who we are and occasionally they let us know that they know who we are, but we try to keep it real +/- a little variance. In the end people will figure it out.
If you actually are pro ALPA and not a DPA plant...
Your posts are too over the top to be legit. Even the most ardent of ALPA supporters doesn't go where you've gone.
So look, if you created an account to help push people towards the DPA on behalf of the DPA, it's becoming a little too obvious. Yes we hide our names but the union still knows who we are and occasionally they let us know that they know who we are, but we try to keep it real +/- a little variance. In the end people will figure it out.
If you actually are pro ALPA and not a DPA plant...
Last edited by Bob Wiley; 11-05-2013 at 09:10 PM.
11-05-2013, 09:05 PM
#8040
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Scarebus B
Posts: 41
You're not on that new special committee are you? Are you getting FPL to post here? Management? Wouldn't that be ironic; responding to "The Manager".
If push came to shove, I could live on 20k. But, I wouldn't drone over thousands of miles of ocean in the middle of the night in a two hundred million dollar jet for that. Hell, if I would have stayed at the regional I came from, I would have broken the $100,000 barrier over a decade ago.
I really would like to know your background, because that is not a perspective I hear out on the line.
If push came to shove, I could live on 20k. But, I wouldn't drone over thousands of miles of ocean in the middle of the night in a two hundred million dollar jet for that. Hell, if I would have stayed at the regional I came from, I would have broken the $100,000 barrier over a decade ago.
I really would like to know your background, because that is not a perspective I hear out on the line.
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