Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

You and your fellow DPA followers are the scourge.

Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

You and your fellow DPA followers are the scourge. Whenever asked what your plan is going forward, there is no plan.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

1. State the objective and print it as the letterhead on all union communications: "Restore all Delta branded flying to Delta pilots, and lead the industry in total compensation."

2. Advise Delta management that we are a "new style" of union that will operate in a manner of: "Leading Engagement." Leading Engagement means that Delta pilots will work to continue the Delta brand leads the industry in safety and customer satisfaction. In return, Delta pilots will demand a contract that continually leads the industry in every section.

3. If, due to Delta's corporate and debt reduction, we ever find ourselves again the target of a corporate raid (ala UsAirways with Delta), the doctrine of Leading Engagement will provide every Delta pilot as a soldier to fight that raid on every front.

4. If, due to Delta's corporate success, management does not give Delta pilots the world's leading contract, the doctrine of Leading Engagement will provide every Delta pilot as a soldier to fight Delta management on every legal front. Including media ads showing management's greed against sharing profits with the pilots who literally saved the company by giving up their pensions and billions in earnings. That same message delivered via informational picketing at every Delta departure station. That same message sent to the company's creditors and bond rating agencies, etc, etc.

5. Maintain a complete and accurate record of our industry's pilot compensation levels and QOL parameters so as to maintain a reasonable margin above the rest.

6. Anytime we actually have a contract that led the industry during its length, continue to show management the benefits of the world's most qualified pilots and best defenders of the Delta brand.

Leading Engagement means that Delta pilots will be either the brand's best defenders, or management's toughest foes in every legal way possible. Leading Engagement means that Delta pilots will once again behave like a true union.

Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

Soon we will have a strong, unified leader at the helm again and if we can cut the DPA cancer out you might actually see some progress.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

* RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

* RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

Originally Posted by johnso29

You mean like all 76 seaters being converted to 80 seats & 82 seaters from here on out? Or less money then we actually received in this contract? Or no "unverified" sick time? Or no compensation for not meeting the 316 NRT requirement? Or returning seniority to reserve? Or dropping international SC from 24 hours to 14 hours before part 117 negotiations?

Yup. They gave up a ton on our last contract.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

In the interest of keeping things interesting, I suggest we expand our vocabulary to other synonyms of "scourge" these can include, but should not be limited to:

noun. hurt condition; something that causes butthurt


I never liked the word scourge.

Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

After reading a few of your posts it seems to me you are a fence sitter. You are either for or against ALPA. Cat calling and a lack of loyalty to your representation will not get you to where we need to go. It's OK to question a little but at some point you have to trust those who you elected to do their best. We need a unified front if we ever want to make progress. Fall in solider and quit questioning everything. Greater minds than yours (or more knowledgeable is a better way of saying it) are working on the problems at hand 24/7.

Originally Posted by Bob Wiley

Fall in solider and quit questioning everything. Greater minds than yours (or more knowledgeable is a better way of saying it) are working on the problems at hand 24/7.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Trust those at the top? How can we do that when the MEC just fired him?

And so now who do I trust? The 10 who voted yes or the 9 who voted no?

Does needing to fire the Chairman count as one of the "few problems"?