Delta Pilots Association
11-04-2013, 12:37 PM
#7921
Wind the clock beoch
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 437
Exactly. Unfortuantely, DALPA still doesn't get it. They're more concerned about circling the wagons in defense of the "Association," than they are about advancing the interests of the Delta pilots. It's so simple, yet amazingly they just don't get it.
11-04-2013, 12:47 PM
#7922
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
I can promise there ain't no one shedding tears for younger-than-50 777 captains who--boo hoo--couldn't take a lump sum and retire early. Many F/Os these days are approaching 50 and can't conceive of being a 50-year-old 777 F/O, much less 777 captain.
I suppose the 49-year-old (in 2005) 777 captain (who was probably a 35-year-old narrowbody captain and 40-year old 767 captain) is just going to have to find a way to deal with the purgatory that is DAL, as he spends 16+ years in the left seat of the highest paying aircraft on the property.
I might pick a different example for the legitimacy of DPA support than that one. Considering we had thousands of guys furloughed for up to 5+ years, there are plenty of worthy ones out there.
I suppose the 49-year-old (in 2005) 777 captain (who was probably a 35-year-old narrowbody captain and 40-year old 767 captain) is just going to have to find a way to deal with the purgatory that is DAL, as he spends 16+ years in the left seat of the highest paying aircraft on the property.
I might pick a different example for the legitimacy of DPA support than that one. Considering we had thousands of guys furloughed for up to 5+ years, there are plenty of worthy ones out there.
You didn't have to respond, but I'm glad you did. Nice unity building exercise.
11-04-2013, 01:00 PM
#7923
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 777 Sim Instructor
Posts: 745
Let me help you out Finis.
I have flown with 2 777 capts that were each below 50 when their pensions were terminated. They couldn't take a lump sum, they were too young so, they didn't have that choice. They each got what roughly any other 48 year old got in their claim and note despite each having 25 years of service then. They weren't cared for by ALPA or the pbgc due to their ages. Lee Moak, who was older, but with less service got more money. FOs who were older with less service got more PBGC and in some cases more claim and note money.
They are young and senior, but they got bent over. It doesn't matter if they can make it up...That is not the point.
I have flown with 2 777 capts that were each below 50 when their pensions were terminated. They couldn't take a lump sum, they were too young so, they didn't have that choice. They each got what roughly any other 48 year old got in their claim and note despite each having 25 years of service then. They weren't cared for by ALPA or the pbgc due to their ages. Lee Moak, who was older, but with less service got more money. FOs who were older with less service got more PBGC and in some cases more claim and note money.
They are young and senior, but they got bent over. It doesn't matter if they can make it up...That is not the point.
I do agree that ALPA withheld information when those of us that did have a choice had to decide. They, ALPA ,made mistakes but I'll take a proven commodity over a pie in the sky, distort the truth group any day.
11-04-2013, 01:00 PM
#7924
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 478
So from your sample set of "two" you deduce that DPA is all about revisiting the SLI?
Hey, I don't doubt your experience with it. All I can tell you is that I'm in a very large category, have flown with A LOT of pilots who support DPA, and I have yet to run into a single one who has said even one word about getting "f'ed" in the SLI and wanting to revisit that. To a man/woman, every DPA supporter I've run across is dissatisfied with ALPA in terms of their ability/plan to appropriately represent us and get our profession and our careers back on track.
Hey, I don't doubt your experience with it. All I can tell you is that I'm in a very large category, have flown with A LOT of pilots who support DPA, and I have yet to run into a single one who has said even one word about getting "f'ed" in the SLI and wanting to revisit that. To a man/woman, every DPA supporter I've run across is dissatisfied with ALPA in terms of their ability/plan to appropriately represent us and get our profession and our careers back on track.
11-04-2013, 02:29 PM
#7925
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
OK, so explain how they are supposed to go about business then. With the "threat" of being thrown out as our representation, just how should they be acting? Ignore the dee pee ay? How can they do that when the dee pee ay is actively recruiting and spouting lies and innuendo on a daily basis? In other words, dALPA cannot AFFORD to ignore the insurgency so they have to spend time, money and resources fighting it off. It will be interesting to see how the dee pee ay acts when they find that everybody isn't singing Kumbaya for all of their decisions, and the next union to end all unions starts it's drive. Better save a little on each paycheck for your assessment to fight it off.
11-04-2013, 03:01 PM
#7926
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
You have to add to your considerations the tailwinds the DPA recieved from many Delta pilots who have been displaced post - merger and who's careers have moved backwards since 2008. Ironically, many of these pilots joined with their Northwest brothers in the "I got screwed" crowd, although ironically the remedy for each is the destruction of the other.
Carl
11-04-2013, 03:05 PM
#7927
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
11-04-2013, 03:10 PM
#7928
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
OK, so explain how they are supposed to go about business then. With the "threat" of being thrown out as our representation, just how should they be acting? Ignore the dee pee ay? How can they do that when the dee pee ay is actively recruiting and spouting lies and innuendo on a daily basis? In other words, dALPA cannot AFFORD to ignore the insurgency so they have to spend time, money and resources fighting it off. It will be interesting to see how the dee pee ay acts when they find that everybody isn't singing Kumbaya for all of their decisions, and the next union to end all unions starts it's drive. Better save a little on each paycheck for your assessment to fight it off.
This latest emphasis by ALPA on addressing DPA doesn't change the way they've been representing (or not representing, depending on your point of view) the Delta pilots one iota. What DPA is all about is changing our focus away from this idea that bankruptcy was a reset and that we have to be "reasonable" in restoring the unreasonable hits we've taken. (Gonna have to explain to me how it's mathematically possible to restore unreasonable cuts with "reasonable" increases within a time frame that helps the vast majority of current Delta pilots.)
11-04-2013, 03:11 PM
#7929
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
11-04-2013, 03:14 PM
#7930
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
I agree. All the divisiveness created by Moak proxies successfully removing the MEC chairman by one vote on the MEC was very bad for our group. The divisiveness that will follow from another Moak proxy being elected as MEC chairman will be continually bad for our group.
Carl
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