Carl Spackler

Now we see another example of this latest Secret Police tactic of defining your enemy by lying about them.

If there was ever any doubt about just how awful these Moak disciples are and how they'll stop at nothing to acquire power, this should remove all doubt. And the Secret Police is just starting to get ramped up again. There will be much more of this and other Saul Alinsky strategies.

Carl

Elliot

Awesome, a Carl Spackler post, quoting mine!! See TSquare, he really does like me.


What you really meant to say Carl is, "when I only quote a small portion of your post Gearjerk, I am the one who really sounds like an idiot….". :roll eyes:


Please leave the name calling to the more mature on this forum. Thank you.


You don't know how I "act" Carl. Please, you come on here, call anyone who doesn't agree with you names, act as classless as my left testicle, and then say that I'm doing something embarrassing? How about you and your 'alternative lifestyle friend", a.k.a. DAL 88 Driver go 'massage' each other's ego somewhere else.


There's that 'name calling' again Carl. Just like your incompetent club of DPA supporters has reverted to, each time you couldn't make it on your own.

Good for you:

1) You can call names,

2) Your organization can't even come close to enough 'ACTIVE' cards to hold a representational election, and

3) Keep diverting the real issue, which is restoration of pay and the profession. Something that the DPA doesn't have a plan to provide, or won't ever produce, since they'll never be our bargaining agent.

We had this same discussion circa page 9000 Carl. Why don't you GET IT??

Free Mason

And if you can connect dots and read a few posts back you will see that c2k was done in a certain environment. One that DALPA along with Alpa has been trying to set up since loa 46. Read my previous posts. Want c2k results you need a market place, a legislative landscape like we had in 2000/2001. Want to kept those gains this time, you need to build a legislative landscape and corporation/business plan that can sustain it.

No one likes it's taken this long, but look at what has happen since the hostile takeover attempt from LCC and you will see just that. It can still be derailed by events outside of anyone's control, but Alpa is controlling what it can with corporate viability and legislative efforts.

Would you not agree? You support ALPA PAC so you see/agree with some of it.

Purple Drank

Want support? Spare us the condescention, and show us :

a) a path to restoration and
b) deliver on the plan.

"Everything else is just masturbation."

Bucking Bar

Burning your own house down is a plan ... just not a very intelligent plan.

Rather B Fishin

Purple,
What is your personal "restoration"? You were around for C2K and the subsequent blood letting????? If not, how can you be "restored"?

Carl Spackler

See how well the Alinsky tactics work? A smart guy like Bar now parrots the comment as if DPA had actually said it. Even though nobody in DPA leadership has ever said or written anything of the sort.

The tactics are effective, but they haven't stopped the march from 500 cards to 5,000 plus cards.

Carl

Elliot

Tell us how many ACTIVE cards good 'ol buddy Carl.

You're as mysterious as Sebelius stating, "they won't know how many signed up on the website until the middle of November." :roll eyes:


GJ

Free Mason

a) you have seen the path via the strategic moves made over the last five years. You just don't like how many moves it has taken. Well guess, what? I don't either, but understand it

b) I strongly suspect that is the goal for everyone that works on your behalf.

As for the last part; It isn't as you state, it a lot more complicated that repeating the same motion over and over for an expected result.

Carl Spackler

This isn't a response to you tsquare, I'm just using this post to answer the question in a compressed form:

1. State the objective and print it as the letterhead on all union communications: "Restore all Delta branded flying to Delta pilots, and lead the industry in total compensation."

2. Advise Delta management that we are a "new style" of union that will operate in a manner of: "Leading Engagement." Leading Engagement means that Delta pilots will work to continue the Delta brand leads the industry in safety and customer satisfaction. In return, Delta pilots will demand a contract that continually leads the industry in every section.

3. If, due to Delta's corporate and debt reduction, we ever find ourselves again the target of a corporate raid (ala UsAirways with Delta), the doctrine of Leading Engagement will provide every Delta pilot as a soldier to fight that raid on every front.

4. If, due to Delta's corporate success, management does not give Delta pilots the world's leading contract, the doctrine of Leading Engagement will provide every Delta pilot as a soldier to fight Delta management on every legal front. Including media ads showing management's greed against sharing profits with the pilots who literally saved the company by giving up their pensions and billions in earnings. That same message delivered via informational picketing at every Delta departure station. That same message sent to the company's creditors and bond rating agencies, etc, etc.

5. Maintain a complete and accurate record of our industry's pilot compensation levels and QOL parameters so as to maintain a reasonable margin above the rest.

6. Anytime we actually have a contract that led the industry during its length, continue to show management the benefits of the world's most qualified pilots and best defenders of the Delta brand.

Leading Engagement means that Delta pilots will be either the brand's best defenders, or management's toughest foes in every legal way possible. Leading Engagement means that Delta pilots will once again behave like a true union.

Carl