Delta Pilots Association
11-03-2013, 02:14 PM
#7861
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Changey, then hopey... THAT is the DPA plan.
11-03-2013, 02:16 PM
#7862
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Load factors and executive pay are irrelevant to any discussion herein.
11-03-2013, 02:18 PM
#7864
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
I'm not obsessed with it like you are. It is what it is. Arguing the reason and logic for the difference between us and SWA is pointless with you. It is fascinating that you refuse to asknowledge that they didn't go thru BK, and that they have only had 3 to maybe 4% pay increases for years and years, yet you seem to want to get it all back in one fell swoop. You want to swing for the fence. I get that. The only thing with that is that you don't want to accept the risk in that tactic. If your boys win, I'll accept that except that I will be demanding that you produce. From day one. I won't want to wait, and will not accept waiting for you to do so because you said that your plan is better. Put up or shut up.
Boy that was immature.
So T, you will demand that the DPA produces, but not that DALPA produces?
You know what divides us makes us weaker...
11-03-2013, 02:22 PM
#7865
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
And from what I have seen, dALPA has produced just what I have expected.. a better contract.. the best in the industry right now... and compensation that is also the best in the industry. We need some help from the other players. We do not operate in a vacuum, but that fact is irrelevant to the doughnuts. So they better produce, because they are above reality from what I can see....
11-03-2013, 02:51 PM
#7866
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
The doughnuts are the ones that keep saying that they have it all figured out, so naturally if their coup is successful, they damned well better get me what they are promising. And I am not gonna want to wait for it either. Or else like someone in DC, they are nothing but a bunch of liars.
And from what I have seen, dALPA has produced just what I have expected.. a better contract.. the best in the industry right now... and compensation that is also the best in the industry. We need some help from the other players. We do not operate in a vacuum, but that fact is irrelevant to the doughnuts. So they better produce, because they are above reality from what I can see....
And from what I have seen, dALPA has produced just what I have expected.. a better contract.. the best in the industry right now... and compensation that is also the best in the industry. We need some help from the other players. We do not operate in a vacuum, but that fact is irrelevant to the doughnuts. So they better produce, because they are above reality from what I can see....
11-03-2013, 02:59 PM
#7867
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Our TOTAL compensation is better than SWA. I will take our payrates PLUS the 401k contribution over their deal every day of the week. That and the fact that a captain at DAL makes more than both the captain AND FO at LCC combined....
Would you rather have the reserve system at AMR? I recently asked a couple of guys in my crashpad why they were there so much... didn't they have ling call, they asked me... dead seriously.. "what's long call?"
Do I want more money? Absolutely. Do we deserve more... Again.. absolutely. DO I think the doughnuts are gonna get me -88's 73% increase all in one fell swoop without giving up some of the other stuff we have, not a chance in hell....
11-03-2013, 03:09 PM
#7868
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
OK.. here are a couple of bullet points.
Our TOTAL compensation is better than SWA. I will take our payrates PLUS the 401k contribution over their deal every day of the week. That and the fact that a captain at DAL makes more than both the captain AND FO at LCC combined....
Would you rather have the reserve system at AMR? I recently asked a couple of guys in my crashpad why they were there so much... didn't they have ling call, they asked me... dead seriously.. "what's long call?"
Do I want more money? Absolutely. Do we deserve more... Again.. absolutely. DO I think the doughnuts are gonna get me -88's 73% increase all in one fell swoop without giving up some of the other stuff we have, not a chance in hell....
Our TOTAL compensation is better than SWA. I will take our payrates PLUS the 401k contribution over their deal every day of the week. That and the fact that a captain at DAL makes more than both the captain AND FO at LCC combined....
Would you rather have the reserve system at AMR? I recently asked a couple of guys in my crashpad why they were there so much... didn't they have ling call, they asked me... dead seriously.. "what's long call?"
Do I want more money? Absolutely. Do we deserve more... Again.. absolutely. DO I think the doughnuts are gonna get me -88's 73% increase all in one fell swoop without giving up some of the other stuff we have, not a chance in hell....
T, I don't hate my life, I like it. DAL is my employer and a darned great one.
Much of what we are yammering about will become moot with the impending pilot shortage, demise of all regionals and hiring and training footprint. Pilots will be a valuable commodity once again and all those US expats flying for emirates will be flocking home. Future contracts will be able to monetize all of this. To retain pilots, domestic airlines will have to guarantee careers and their earnings.
Academic exercise aside, this will all happen and relatively soon.
11-03-2013, 03:20 PM
#7869
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
So what you're saying is you're not a donut?
T, I don't hate my life, I like it. DAL is my employer and a darned great one.
Much of what we are yammering about will become moot with the impending pilot shortage, demise of all regionals and hiring and training footprint. Pilots will be a valuable commodity once again and all those US expats flying for emirates will be flocking home. Future contracts will be able to monetize all of this. To retain pilots, domestic airlines will have to guarantee careers and their earnings.
Academic exercise aside, this will all happen and relatively soon.
T, I don't hate my life, I like it. DAL is my employer and a darned great one.
Much of what we are yammering about will become moot with the impending pilot shortage, demise of all regionals and hiring and training footprint. Pilots will be a valuable commodity once again and all those US expats flying for emirates will be flocking home. Future contracts will be able to monetize all of this. To retain pilots, domestic airlines will have to guarantee careers and their earnings.
Academic exercise aside, this will all happen and relatively soon.
11-03-2013, 03:43 PM
#7870
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
I don't believe ALPA's plan of pocketing all our dues money and personally profiting from payoffs by management will ever help to return us to what we had.
It would be tempting to act just like you, but I'd be too embarrassed to actually write a post like that and mean it.
I know part of the new Secret Police plan is to define your enemy so they spend their time defending themselves rather than getting to define themselves. It's a tactic right out of Saul Alinsky's book Rules For Radicals. You're just doing your part as per the directive from the Secret Police, but it's very very transparent.
Carl
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