Delta Pilots Association
11-03-2013, 10:50 AM
#7851
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Manager,
Thank you for the level reply.
1) I agree that 4, 8.5, 3, 3 doesn't cut it.
2) I DO believe we can see restoration, & DO believe it should be a goal of our pilot group, the pilot profession, & industry as a whole,
BUT,
3) I don't believe the DPA plan of 'give us what we once had, or we'll burn the place down' will give us our NEEDED "restoration" any sooner than the path we're on.
Just my opinion.
thanks,
GJ
P.S. Scambo, I wrote a lengthy, respectful reply to your post. Prior to me submitting my reply, I was disconnected from APC. You'll just have to go with, "I want restoration too," just not the 'beating drum, beat down the door' restoration plan like DPA has offered as a strategy. That's all. Again, just my opinion.
Thank you for the level reply.
1) I agree that 4, 8.5, 3, 3 doesn't cut it.
2) I DO believe we can see restoration, & DO believe it should be a goal of our pilot group, the pilot profession, & industry as a whole,
BUT,
3) I don't believe the DPA plan of 'give us what we once had, or we'll burn the place down' will give us our NEEDED "restoration" any sooner than the path we're on.
Just my opinion.
thanks,
GJ
P.S. Scambo, I wrote a lengthy, respectful reply to your post. Prior to me submitting my reply, I was disconnected from APC. You'll just have to go with, "I want restoration too," just not the 'beating drum, beat down the door' restoration plan like DPA has offered as a strategy. That's all. Again, just my opinion.
I agree. The DPA plan is ridiculous. It is not a plan. The only time burning down the house was a good idea was in the settlers days. Torch it. Let the ashes cool. Gather the valuable nails, and set out towards the west where one could re-use the nails in the next cabin.
There is no value (nails) to be found in DPAs strategy. There are many strategies that an association could use to leverage our current situation to a better one. They obviously can not be discussed here.
On the flip side, DALPAs plan of small gains and TVM are not going to get the gains we need to get our investment back, at least in this decade and maybe not the next either. 5600+/- have said so. That is a poll where the results have been effectively released, unlike the other prominent poll/survey.
DALPA should recognize this and make course correction before it's too late. It might not be the DPA. But it will be somebody, whether it is an internal house cleaning and change or another yet to be named group, it will happen if they stay status quo.
11-03-2013, 11:37 AM
#7852
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Posts: 133
I agree. The DPA plan is ridiculous. It is not a plan. The only time burning down the house was a good idea was in the settlers days. Torch it. Let the ashes cool. Gather the valuable nails, and set out towards the west where one could re-use the nails in the next cabin.
There is no value (nails) to be found in DPAs strategy. There are many strategies that an association could use to leverage our current situation to a better one. They obviously can not be discussed here.
On the flip side, DALPAs plan of small gains and TVM are not going to get the gains we need to get our investment back, at least in this decade and maybe not the next either. 5600+/- have said so. That is a poll where the results have been effectively released, unlike the other prominent poll/survey.
DALPA should recognize this and make course correction before it's too late. It might not be the DPA. But it will be somebody, whether it is an internal house cleaning and change or another yet to be named group, it will happen if they stay status quo.
There is no value (nails) to be found in DPAs strategy. There are many strategies that an association could use to leverage our current situation to a better one. They obviously can not be discussed here.
On the flip side, DALPAs plan of small gains and TVM are not going to get the gains we need to get our investment back, at least in this decade and maybe not the next either. 5600+/- have said so. That is a poll where the results have been effectively released, unlike the other prominent poll/survey.
DALPA should recognize this and make course correction before it's too late. It might not be the DPA. But it will be somebody, whether it is an internal house cleaning and change or another yet to be named group, it will happen if they stay status quo.
What is DALPA/ALPA doing now and for the last few years?
Trying to set the stage legislatively and with National policy so that when this cycle occurs with massive hiring, massive movement, and growth, combined with a profitable company they walk up to the plate with a larger bat that has a better chance of hitting a long ball.
C2K was after a few years of robust hiring and profits. C2015 will be after four or five years of robust profits, retuning to the S&P, dividends, stock buy back, debt well below 10 billion, margins in the double digits, and the rest of the US piloting profession on effective parity with us.
What sort of environment is that compared with last year; C2012?
Yep, much better.
How about C2K?
Quite similar.
Restoration of wages(hourly rates that do not add in profit sharing or DC) should be a goal by the amendable date if we do a deal early, and at or above the longer we go beyond it.
If the environment does not hit a black swan we should have the odds in our favor. DPA gone or a total non-starter comes in to play with that. If it's anything more than that, it will effect DALPA's ability to leverage the pilot group and their support to get across that goal line.
Time to put your efforts in to DALPA and see the long term strategic plan for what it is. Anything that subverts a pilots focus only hurts all of us.
11-03-2013, 01:11 PM
#7854
Straight QOL, homie
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11-03-2013, 01:25 PM
#7855
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
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Look up the definition of a strategic plan. Its about vision, process and strategy. From that comes tactics, and a game plan. Legislative activities that try to stop something or allow others to take place in a known environment is part of that. Seeking a three year deal last year to allow negotiations in the 2015-2016 timeframe is a tactic.
Setting up an environment that offers a better probability to translate the tactics and game plan in to results, is all strategy.
Any group that promises results or burns the place down if they can't attain them lacks strategic vision or a plan.
11-03-2013, 03:12 PM
#7860
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
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Posts: 12,109
Those percentages bother you, don't they. They should. It's a big deficit to overcome. (Unless you're not into overcoming the deficit.)
SWA didn't take a 42% pay cut. THAT is the difference in the success of their "little bite now and then" and our "little bite now and then." Different situations requiring different strategies. I think that's why it bothers you when I keep posting the percentages... because you know how big of a deficit it is, you don't think we can or should try to overcome it, and you don't want to admit publicly that you and DALPA think that way.
SWA didn't take a 42% pay cut. THAT is the difference in the success of their "little bite now and then" and our "little bite now and then." Different situations requiring different strategies. I think that's why it bothers you when I keep posting the percentages... because you know how big of a deficit it is, you don't think we can or should try to overcome it, and you don't want to admit publicly that you and DALPA think that way.
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